NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Herald NOW
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
  • Herald NOW
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Politics
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Herald NOW
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / Business / Markets / Shares

Diana Clement: Too good to be true? You can bet on it

Diana Clement
By Diana Clement
Your Money and careers writer for the NZ Herald·NZ Herald·
21 Feb, 2014 04:30 PM6 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌
Save

    Share this article

Investment sales people work hard to get their targets to trust them so they will hand over their money.

Investment sales people work hard to get their targets to trust them so they will hand over their money.

Miracle creams, 'wealth creation' seminars, 'advanced fee' scams ... it seems people really want to believe the unbelievable

Kiwis are conned out of their money every day of the week. Sometimes it makes the headlines. Twice in the past fortnight I've read about New Zealanders falling for "advanced fee" scams.

We're also done out of money, falling for cons as small as believing in miracle creams. The beauty industry is legendary for selling products on the basis of a lie.

So too are cigarette peddlers. Their adverts make smokers look beautiful, whereas the very act of holding a cigarette to their mouths makes them look ugly in my humble opinion.

I sometimes think people want to be conned. They want to believe the unbelievable. Sometimes I can't resist attending "wealth creation" seminars and I've seen many spruikers over the years.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

They often recommend the audience invest large and life-changing sums into whatever scheme they are pushing and promise remarkable guaranteed minimum returns ranging from 21 to 24 per cent.

One spiel I've seen was big on dissing banks, financial advisers, accountants, teachers and academia, and newspapers, which were described as peddling untruths. Only the presenter of the seminar was to be believed.

The man, a foreign visitor, claimed to be a multimillionaire, described himself as a financial confidante of Steve Forbes (of Forbes magazine) and former United States President Bill Clinton. If so, why on earth would he have to come to New Zealand to speak to a pathetically small audience of about 20 people?

Why would he need to work so hard to get investors? Surely if it really was such a great investment, he'd have wealthy individuals, or his international high-flying pals, lined up to invest.

As for those returns, anyone who hasn't heard the words "if it sounds too good to be true ..." almost deserves to be parted from his or her money.

The presentation was based on an "investment clock" of the kind I've seen many times at this type of event.

Discover more

Opinion

Diana Clement: A few rules of thumb for savvy investors

24 Jan 04:30 PM
Opinion

Students, learn to budget

31 Jan 07:30 PM
Opinion

Diana Clement: Landlord cover needs strong foundations

08 Feb 01:21 AM
Opinion

Diana Clement: Parents in Neverland over lending to kids

14 Feb 04:30 PM

Oddly enough the clock's hands just happened to be pointing to the actual time (six minutes to eight), which was the precise moment to buy before investments would start skyrocketing in the "greed" phase from eight to 12.

I've never seen a seminar presenter suggest it's any time other than the right time to buy.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

A basic question for sellers of fail-safe business schemes is why sell the idea if the investment is so good? Often they charge thousands of dollars for people to learn more or join an "inner circle" of investors.

Such presenters do usually have some useful information to impart before they go for the jugular vein.

My advice is if you want to learn from them, don't spend thousands - or even tens of thousands - of dollars to hear their words of wisdom at their seminars.

Instead, buy their books. It is often the case that the books can be a much better investment than the seminars, providing the information for a much lower price.

Almost all wealth or property seminars follow the same process. You're invited to a free session or offered a free consultation. There, the presenter/salesperson works hard at getting you into a trust trap. They tell you lots of "secrets". We're hardwired to want to trust them when they feign trust towards us. I read that in - you guessed it - Forbes magazine. We want to take a risk when we think the person might be genuine.

After softening you up, the presenter/salesperson shows how their investment is far better than anything else on the market. It's invariably your last chance to buy before prices go up. That's exactly what I've seen in local seminars.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Buyers who signed up there and then would have the price fixed in. Because there was limited supply, prices would rise if they didn't hurry. Time pressure means less time to think or ask questions of accountants and lawyers.

Time and time again we see the same modus operandi. Seminars entice people to go along to free introductory seminars where they were groomed to trust the presenter and to believe that they will be their financial saviour.

They are then signed up for seminars costing thousands of dollars, which were not worth more than the cost of one or two of the books.

Even better than buying books from spruikers is to get them out of the library. I've checked, and Auckland Public Libraries has copies of books from a long list of these seminar-presenting characters.

I've been to many "wealth creation" events over the years and had all manner of sales people try to sell me their amazing investments - very few of which haven't subsequently crashed and burned, taking naive investors' money with them.

On the most recent occasion, the audience was interesting. There was a lot of head-nodding throughout and affirmative noises. They liked what they were hearing. Two families had brought their adult children to listen.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

It's not just the guy with the $400,000 investment to watch out for. We get conned, legally, out of our money every day by advertising and marketing professionals.

A classic example is the hard selling of products going on in the main thoroughfares of various malls. So much do I hate the sales patter of the mostly young backpackers selling this stuff that I now walk around certain malls instead of going through them - thus depriving other retailers of my spending power.

They build up our trust and we want to believe what they're saying to us. In many cases they offer us what appears a huge discount on the jacked-up original price.

We think they're giving us a never-to-be-repeated offer and we're proud of getting a bargain.

When you're being sold something, anything, it's worth asking: Am I being conned here? That's especially the case with anything sold by smooth patter.

One of the other ways we con ourselves is by not understanding the difference between needs and wants. Parents are particularly bad at this. They believe that little Johnny needs X, Y and Z or his education will fall behind his peers.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Toy stores talk about children's "learning and creative development" and have names such as Love to Learn. This type of language is manipulative. And it works.

Personal finance writers such as myself bang on about needs versus wants. I don't mind anyone buying an iPad, upgraded car, readymade meals, skate shoes, music downloads or whatever - providing they realise these aren't needs.

We also get upsold all sorts of things we don't need. Whether it's McDonald's or the local service station, they will sell us anything to maximise turnover. Who really needs a Coke with their burger when water costs less, is better at slaking thirst and doesn't make them fat.

I'm sure we've all fallen for upsell at some times in our lives.

I stopped using my local AA Service Centre a few years back after an employee admitted that he had sales targets to meet.

That is, he needed to sell extra work to me that I may not have needed. "Doesn't everyone?" he said.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Save

    Share this article

Latest from Shares

Shares

Former CFO of failed insurer CBL to pay $1.2m for continuous disclosure breaches

26 Jun 11:50 PM
Premium
Shares

Market close: Fonterra leads NZ sharemarket rise

26 Jun 06:15 AM
Premium
Shares

Market close: NZ sharemarket flat despite export growth, Fletcher Building down again

25 Jun 06:21 AM

Kaibosh gets a clean-energy boost in the fight against food waste

sponsored
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Latest from Shares

Former CFO of failed insurer CBL to pay $1.2m for continuous disclosure breaches

Former CFO of failed insurer CBL to pay $1.2m for continuous disclosure breaches

26 Jun 11:50 PM

Carden Mulholland’s actions were described as 'serious and far-reaching'.

Premium
Market close: Fonterra leads NZ sharemarket rise

Market close: Fonterra leads NZ sharemarket rise

26 Jun 06:15 AM
Premium
Market close: NZ sharemarket flat despite export growth, Fletcher Building down again

Market close: NZ sharemarket flat despite export growth, Fletcher Building down again

25 Jun 06:21 AM
Premium
Market close: Fletchers down 3.6%

Market close: Fletchers down 3.6%

24 Jun 05:46 AM
Engage and explore one of the most remote places on Earth in comfort and style
sponsored

Engage and explore one of the most remote places on Earth in comfort and style

NZ Herald
  • About NZ Herald
  • Meet the journalists
  • Newsletters
  • Classifieds
  • Help & support
  • Contact us
  • House rules
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of use
  • Competition terms & conditions
  • Our use of AI
Subscriber Services
  • NZ Herald e-editions
  • Daily puzzles & quizzes
  • Manage your digital subscription
  • Manage your print subscription
  • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
  • Subscribe to Herald Premium
  • Gift a subscription
  • Subscriber FAQs
  • Subscription terms & conditions
  • Promotions and subscriber benefits
NZME Network
  • The New Zealand Herald
  • The Northland Age
  • The Northern Advocate
  • Waikato Herald
  • Bay of Plenty Times
  • Rotorua Daily Post
  • Hawke's Bay Today
  • Whanganui Chronicle
  • Viva
  • NZ Listener
  • Newstalk ZB
  • BusinessDesk
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • iHeart Radio
  • Restaurant Hub
NZME
  • About NZME
  • NZME careers
  • Advertise with NZME
  • Digital self-service advertising
  • Book your classified ad
  • Photo sales
  • NZME Events
  • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
TOP