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The mother of all political questions: Labour leader Chris Hipkins wades into Māori sovereignty debate - Audrey Young

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By Audrey Young
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29 Aug, 2024 01:58 AM8 mins to read

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Labour leader Chris Hipkins said in an interview on Monday he did not think Māori had ceded sovereignty. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Labour leader Chris Hipkins said in an interview on Monday he did not think Māori had ceded sovereignty. Photo / Mark Mitchell

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Audrey Young, Senior Political Correspondent at the New Zealand Herald based at Parliament, specialises in writing about politics and power.
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Audrey Young is the New Zealand Herald’s senior political correspondent. She was named Political Journalist of the Year at the Voyager Media Awards in 2023, 2020 and 2018.

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Welcome to the Politics Briefing. To an already crowded policy debate on Māori issues under the coalition Government, the mother of all questions has been added – did Māori cede sovereignty?

Labour leader Chris Hipkins ignited the issue when, in an interview on Whakaata Māori on Monday (see below), he said he did not think Māori had ceded sovereignty.In the past, leaders have avoided answering the question definitively to avoid divisive debates that cannot be settled, but in the past fortnight, the Prime Minister and leader of the Opposition have taken opposite and definitive public positions.

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Parliament is now starkly split on the question: Labour, the Greens and Te Pāti Māori say Māori did not cede sovereignty, and all members of Government, National, Act and New Zealand First, say they did.

There is also a view that some chiefs did, and some chiefs didn’t and that the question is impossible to answer in absolute terms.

So what does it all mean? The issue will not affect policy outcomes in the immediate term. The more immediate issues are Act’s Treaty Principles Bill, the review of the Treaty of Waitangi in legislation, a review of Waitangi Tribunal, the foreshore and seabed law changes, the removal of section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act, and the new hurdle for Māori wards.But it is likely to underpin Māori engagement with the Crown on an increasing basis. And it will loom large as Labour develops new policy next year, and it works out how it takes account of the newly-declared position. And there is the issue of whether the newly-defined split will be weaponised in the 2026 election.

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It also means that the gap between Labour and National has widened and that Māori policy will continue to be polarised.

It probably puts paid to suggestions from the likes of former Prime Minister Helen Clark that it is better for the two big parties to shift the centre-ground together than align with the more extreme views on their flanks.

Two important questions are: first, what does tino rangatiratanga that is guaranteed under the Treaty mean in 2024; and should that meaning vary, according to whether sovereignty was ceded or not.

In news out today, the Green Party has deferred its vote on Sunday on the future of independent MP Darleen Tana until after a substantive High Court hearing on September 12. Tana applied for an interim injunction to stop the meeting.

Controversy over ‘communist judge’ comments won’t go away

Meanwhile, the controversy over Shane Jones’ “communist judge” comments about Justice Cheryl Gwyn is not going away. The Bar Association president, Maria Dew KC, has written to Attorney-General Judith Collins expressing concern about an increase in public comments about judges that goes beyond criticism of judgments.

“In recent years, we’ve seen polarising criticism of the judiciary in other countries. The risks of politicisation of the judiciary are clear. We do not want to follow other examples overseas where there has been a loss of independence in the courts.”

Hipkins today has also criticised the Prime Minister for his tepid response when questioned in Parliament. And he has a point. Luxon said it was descriptive, not a criticism – on the basis that Gwyn was once a member of the Socialist Action League.

In a May meeting, senior minister Shane Jones referred to one High Court Judge as a "communist". Photo / Mark Mitchell
In a May meeting, senior minister Shane Jones referred to one High Court Judge as a "communist". Photo / Mark Mitchell

The comments were not intended for public consumption and were uttered at a meeting of Paul Goldsmith and Jones with seafood industry reps. The meeting was supposed to have been about what they saw as inadequate consultation when the Crown undertakes direct negotiation with iwi over customary title.

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Official briefing papers were prepared for the meeting and officials were present from Te Arawhiti and the Ministry for Primary Industries.Jones and Goldsmith went off the rails somewhat and talked freely about the proposed changes to the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 – including a recent judgment made by Gwyn. And the notes of the meeting, including the offending comments, were part of the official Crown documents given to the Waitangi Tribunal in its inquiry into the law change.

It is a salutary lesson to all ministers. Even private meetings are official meetings. You are always a minister – especially when you have officials in the room taking notes.

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“Your audacity knows no bounds - here’s this person who ran for the mayoralty when she was a teenager, virtually. Thinks she could run the Auckland city as a teenager.” Winston Peters clobbers Chloe Swarbrick in Parliament for the sin of interjecting “here we go,” before he answered a question on the Treaty.

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Ginny Andersen claimed police foot patrols have dropped. Photo / Mark Mitchell
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Goes to Labour’s former Police Minister Ginny Andersen for claiming police foot patrols have dropped by comparing December figures and June figures, and knowing that patrols peak in December for Christmas and New Year. There are increases and decreases in parts of the country but overall, foot patrols have increased by 13.6% January to June, compared with the same period last year.

Bouquet

Goes to Brigadier Rose King, whom Defence Minister Judith Collins announced as the new Chief of the Army, and is the first woman to lead any of the three services in the NZ Defence Force. She will also be promoted to Major-General.

Latest political news and views

High Court hearing: A Green Party meeting set for the weekend to decide whether Darleen Tana will be booted from the party under the waka-jumping legislation won’t go ahead this weekend following a hearing in the High Court today.

Fuel taxes: The days of paying more than 75 cents in tax for every litre of fuel might be coming to an end sooner than you think.

Controversial comments: An organisation representing barristers has written to the Attorney-General “to seek action” after raising concerns “about attacks on our judiciary” following a May meeting that saw senior minister Shane Jones refer to one High Court judge as a “communist”.

Infrastructure politics: Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop has put out a call to infrastructure spokespeople from across Parliament to work together to take some of the politics out of infrastructure, a move that has led other parties to say he should look in the mirror.

Pacific Islands Forum: Foreign Minister Winston Peters is denying claims he questioned humanity’s role in climate change after Labour expressed fears his comments reflect badly on New Zealand.

Opinion - Fast-track backdown: The Government has responded to criticism over the Fast-track Approvals Bill by taking the power to decide which projects are fast-tracked out of ministers’ hands – but it was more a nod to the critics than a cave-in, writes Claire Trevett.

Energy crisis: Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced a suite of measures he hopes will eventually alleviate the country’s energy supply shortage, including legislating to quickly consent a liquefied natural gas terminal to import gas from overseas.

Tax policy debate: Labour leader Chris Hipkins has confirmed members have been discussing a range of taxes such as “capital gains tax, wealth tax, combinations of the two, land taxes”.

Security threat: There are “increasing and compounding threats” to New Zealand’s security, the Ministry of Defence warns, with an “increasing risk of conflict directly affecting” the country’s national security.

Taiwan: Prime Minister Christopher Luxon is expressing New Zealand’s support of Taiwan’s place at the Pacific Islands Forum amid a report China wants member states to prevent Taiwan from attending next year’s event.

Foreshore and seabed inquiry: The sole Crown witness in the Waitangi Tribunal’s urgent foreshore and seabed inquiry, Tui Marsh, was grilled by lawyers for iwi and hapu this week over the private meetings ministers Paul Goldsmith and Shane Jones held with seafood industry representatives on planned law changes.

Waitangi Tribunal: The Government’s plan to restore a tougher test for Māori customary title claims in the foreshore and seabed has caused dismay, exhaustion, confusion and chaos, the Waitangi Tribunal heard this week.

Sovereignty debate: Labour leader Chris Hipkins was this week asked to clarify his position on the issue of Māori sovereignty.

Quiz answer: Suze Redmayne, a National MP who replaced Ian McKelvie at the 2023 election.

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