That's right. Big Brother is like the MacGuffin in a Hitchcock movie. It's not important at all. It's not about television; it's about illusion, not just his expectations but his perception. For him to be on television, it doesn't matter which programme, it is a validation of his existence. Gomorrah was a movie about victims of the crime system and this is a movie about victims of the show business system. They are different systems but what they have in common is that they are always wanting to make money and to have power. Reality talks about manipulating people's desire. In this story, Luciano invents a new character to reach his goal, he becomes someone else. So this absurdist aspect, which is sort of Pirandellian, is very modern. We approach the story as a dark comedy, trying not to be moralistic but to be human. Luciano, in a way, is not far from me. I am very weak and I can easily betray myself.
I have read that the film is based on a true story. What was that?
It happened in my family. My brother-in-law had the tragedy that you saw in the movie and the real story was probably darker than the story in the movie. He often came on the set to discuss with the actor that was playing Luciano the psychological basis of the character. He reached the point where he was about to commit suicide. That's how far it went. He felt like he was being watched and started to pretend to be like a saint. So many aspects of the story that seemed surreal actually happened. What surprised me was how complicit his family was in the process. They never thought for a moment that they might be guilty too and that was very interesting.
Television seems inseparable from politics in Italy because former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is a television mogul. Do you see the film as having a political agenda?
Probably, but I don't think Berlusconi invented the model. It came from other capitalist countries, from the US. In 1975, Pasolini was already denouncing the consumer society. We have been living in this corrupt society for 30 or 40 years and this story could happen in another level of society.
Visually, the film draws on the neo-realism of De Sica and Rossellini, but there are also fantastical elements that remind us of Fellini. Were you seeking to contrast Luciano's drab life with the fantasy world he wants to inhabit?
That's right. The story of the film is not new but I was trying to tell it with a balance between realism and the fantasy dimension. That was a difficult line to find. It was a sort of magical realism in a way. I think Gomorrah too was a sort of black fairy tale.
What was it about Aniello Arena that made him right for the role?
His face, his eyes. He is a mix between Robert De Niro and [legendary Italian comedian] Toto. He was believable as a working class man but he is also able to capture the way Luciano feels as he is slowly drawn into the dream. You can see the sense of wonder and surprise in his eyes because he had been in prison for 21 years and was really rediscovering the world.
Who: Matteo Garrone, storied Italian writer-director
What: His latest Reality
When: Opens Thursday
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- TimeOut