Controversial Canadian psychologist and author Jordan Peterson sits down with Simon Wilson.

Jordan Peterson walks on to the town hall stage, shoulders hunched, hands clenched, a thin man on a hot night in an elegantly patterned three-piece suit. He glances out at the hooting, cheering crowd, and nods his appreciation. He's a hero to millions, villain to millions more, and he's 35 minutes late.

Nobody minds. He crosses from one side to the other, head down, each foot placed carefully. He's picking his way, prepping the mind, putting himself in the zone, a tennis star bouncing that first ball, a

The things he says