Finally, a decision, but don't expect Kim Dotcom to be going anywhere fast.

In an interview just before the extradition decision, Dotcom says no matter the outcome he is determined to live in New Zealand.

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It just might take a lot of legal action to make it happen, and as it happens, he has a new multi-million-dollar legal warchest.


We meet in the Dotcom family's new home, a $10m waterfront penthouse on Princes Wharf, opposite the Hilton. The Coatesville mansion north of Auckland is no longer home to Dotcom's family. After five years, the $1m-a-year rent and frustrated attempts to buy the house meant it was no longer an option.

Dotcom has moved from sprawling opulence to compact luxury. The carpets are deep and soft, the furnishings designer and the interior finished in a way that suggests serious renovation.

Outside, Auckland's harbour sparkles. Boats, launches, yachts come and go. Rangitoto sits on the horizon one direction, the Harbour Bridge the other. It's captivating. The apartment is like a ship, jutting out to sea and swept back, as if racing the tide.
Dotcom sits with his back to it all.

"I don't know how long the whole process will take," he says of the extradition process. The first stage was announced today at the district court, and either side was expected to appeal as long as they were able.

Dotcom confirms his position - first the High Court, then Court of Appeal and finally the Supreme Court.

"A year and a half, two, three years or more. It's a very complex matter."

Then he changes direction. "It's actually quite simple. They are making it complex. The simple answer is copyright is not extraditable. Period. Game over. That's where the whole thing should end."

But copyright wasn't cited at the extradition hearing. Instead, New Zealand lawyers acting for the US described Megaupload as an enormous fraud.


"There is no law that says that," he says.

"Copyright is its own piece of law. If you step outside of that, that's hacking. It's hacking the law."

He laughs uproariously when told he often sees matters as "simple" when people agree with him.

"Well, I'm usually right," he says.

Kim Dotcom. Photo / Chris Loufte
Kim Dotcom. Photo / Chris Loufte
Photo / Michael Craig
Photo / Michael Craig

A new beginning

Now, on the cusp of 2016, Dotcom has recovered. The fight has fresh fuel - money.

Dotcom's expat Kiwi lawyer, Hong Kong senior counsel Gerard McCoy has unlocked the way to a $50 million pool of Dotcom's cash, restrained when he was first arrested, and won access to the money for living expenses and legal fees.

The living expenses are substantial at $80,000 a month but Dotcom calls the legal allowance "the most beautiful development in this whole case". He says there is a guaranteed $6m to pay for lawyers, and possibly more.

"It opens the door for me to take action in Hong Kong. That's where the business was destroyed. That's where all my companies were based.

"I now have the opportunity to fight back in Hong Kong and take legal action against those who have destroyed what I have built there and that means I can sue, indirectly, the US government by suing the Hong Kong Department of Justice."

"I'm bringing a $2½ billion lawsuit against those who have destroyed my companies based on the fact that an entirely foreign company like Megaupload, under US law, cannot even be indicted. That is going to be the primary basis of our lawsuit.

"I have had enough of being defensive. I want to go on the attack now and 2016 will bring that opportunity."

Of course, legal funds will be spent here too. There will be extradition appeals, and a deportation case on which Immigration NZ is yet to decide. It follows the Herald's revelation in October last year that Dotcom had not included a dangerous driving conviction in his residency application when he was obliged by law to do so.

"If I win the extradition then we deport. If he loses we don't have to deport. It's Plan B, right?" he says.

"They're waiting for the decision, if I'm eligible for surrender."

The dangerous driving conviction came on top of Dotcom's declarations of hacking and insider trading convictions from Germany, wiped under a clean slate law. It also came after an earlier deportation inquiry when Dotcom revealed, after gaining residency in December 2010, that he had fresh and minor share trading charges from Hong Kong, which he was not allowed to disclose.

In that instance, the deportation inquiry took three months. Then-minister Jonathan Coleman allowed Dotcom to stay. The current inquiry has been running 15 months. An Immigration NZ spokesman said this week the agency was "still assessing Mr Dotcom's potential liability for deportation".

It was "not possible to say how long this process will take" because of "issues raised in correspondence with Mr Dotcom's representative".

Dotcom was younger in more than just years when he got his driving conviction.

"I should have been more mature then, and I should not have been speeding. It's no excuse - that's how I see things today. I got caught and I paid for it and it was dumb."

The man who raced up the Albany hill in a new AMG Mercedes, recent wife Mona at his side, was new to fatherhood. He had a business which, the next year, would pull in $20m and $40m the next.

Since then, four more children, a separation, a fortune lost and another made and spent. There's been jail, friendships gone - and always the prospect of 88 years in a US prison.

"They're not just talking about deporting me alone. They're talking about deporting everybody - Mona, my five children, including two who are now New Zealand citizens, my twins. That takes the whole thing too far, it just shows this is personal. This is a vendetta against me."

Dotcom: "If they end up making the decision to deport me I'm going to fight them long and hard and it's going to take many years and it will be very expensive for the Crown and in the end they will lose. There's no case law, no history, of anyone being deported for what they are trying to deport me for."

Kim Dotcom speaking to the Herald on Sunday. Photo / Michael Craig
Kim Dotcom speaking to the Herald on Sunday. Photo / Michael Craig

A new business plan

Dotcom is excited about the new year. Along with a new legal warchest, there's a new business plan.

This time it's for a "new" internet called MegaNet. Mega, the business he built with his co-accused, provided encrypted cloud storage but was, he says, only part of the solution to pervasive government influence across the internet. That influence, says Dotcom, includes "copyright extremism" and "mass surveillance".

"So I thought I need to create something that solves all of that. And that's what MegaNet is all about. It's an alternative internet that sits on top of the existing internet with new protocols, a strong encryption that allows users to interact in a way that cannot be censored, cannot be spied on."

It leverages off users' spare device bandwidth and capacity, apparently using Bitcoin technology to create an unbreakable, unhackable chain.

This time, though, it will be without his co-accused super-coders Bram van der Kolk and Mathias Ortmann. Ortmann built Megaupload, and was joined later by van der Kolk. Together, they built Mega.

It's a fundamental shift from 2012, when the four accused appeared in court to first face the charges arrayed against them. Then, they stood shoulder to shoulder - the "Mega Conspiracy" according to US court documents. Those bonds stayed strong at least a year, through to the launch of Mega.

It's different now.

The US case is the men knew exactly what they were doing - creating an environment of rampant copyright violation by users who uploaded protected material in return for rewards.

Evidence was captured in chat logs seized by the FBI, and presented to the court, such as van der Kolk telling Ortmann: "That's the big flaw in the rewards program. We make profit off more than 90 per cent infringing files."

In another, van der Kolk told Ortmann "we have a funny business . . . modern days pirates :)" to which Ortmann replied: "We're not pirates, we're just providing shipping services to pirates :)".

The chat transcripts were detailed at length by Kiwi lawyers acting for the US. In rebuttal, the accused's legal team tried to show the FBI had bungled translation and created darker, sinister meanings to some of the more damning evidence.

In other cases, Dotcom talks of "emails that were unfortunate but you will find that in any company".

He points to the civil case in the US between media conglomerate Viacom and YouTube, in which one co-founder of the streaming website asked another "please stop putting stolen videos on the site... we're going to have a tough time defending the fact that we're not liable for the copyrighted material ... when one of the co-founders is blatantly stealing content from other sites and trying to get everyone to see it."

Translation, work-place chitchat - and also some bad judgment, says Dotcom.

"I haven't been sitting there writing emails saying "yeah, i'm a pirate". You always have to differentiate. There were some people in my company who were very young, had different views to my views. You can't make me responsible for that."

A schism grew between Dotcom, on one side, and van der Kolk and Ortmann. His relationship with the fourth accused, Finn Batato, remains intact. "We are the oldest of friends."

With van der Kolk and Ortmann, there was also disagreement over Mega. Dotcom talks of "certain disagreements about certain things", which he says led to him leaving Mega.

"Since then, I don't have much to do with them."

There's likely another side to the story. Dotcom sold down his shareholding for $30m and one of those to whom he sold shares then had those shares seized in an unconnected money-laundering investigation.

And then, having sold his shares, Dotcom went public with criticism of Mega. For those still holding shares, public bagging by a prominent founder would have been unwelcome.

Kim Dotcom on the Internet Mana roadshow. Photo / Supplied
Kim Dotcom on the Internet Mana roadshow. Photo / Supplied

How politics changed Dotcom

The Mega money paid for the politics. Dotcom sunk $5m into the Internet Party.

"It was something I wanted to do, wanted to experience, wanted to learn."

He learned plenty, he says. "There's no equality. There's a lot of commercial interests that dominate decisions that are being made rather than making decisions that are good for the people."

He recites figures around child poverty. "This is a rich country. It shouldn't be like that. It doesn't have to be like that."

It seems contradictory from someone in a $10m apartment on Auckland's waterfront with an $80,000 monthly stipend.

And here's another contradiction, given he almost solely funded the Internet Mana movement. "It is money in politics that is polluting it."

Taxpayer funding of the political process is the answer, he says, "because then no one owes anyone favours".

"The rule of the game now is you have to raise money in order to be playing this game. And that's already one of the big problems of politics."

There's an unexpected consequence from the mashup of Dotcom's Internet Party and the Mana Party, previously led by left-wing firebrand Hone Harawira. It saw Dotcom travel the country, and work to explain himself to Mana's predominantly Maori support base at marae. He saw life as he had never seen it, he says.

And yet, he has a music video almost ready to release, a legacy of his album Good Times, panned by reviewers. Track number 11 was Good Life, a song that began with the words: "When you work hard for your money, spend it on a Good Life." On Twitter, Dotcom said the music video "took 5 years and $24m to make".

Now, he's not so sure. "It's just so over the top."

Is it too indulgent for you? "Yeah," he says.

Internet Mana was an eye-opener, as was the politician he hired to lead the party, Laila Harre. There were "all these people who are fighting for equality" and Dotcom "met people who are really not well off".

"I didn't see much of that before I entered that arena and went to all the marae. I don't know how they would feel about me putting out that video. Maybe I'll have to wait a little bit for that. I have to think about that.

"It's getting worse and there's no one helping them."

Almost four years since the arrest, Dotcom is a changed man.

"I would say I'm a more rounded...", and he stops and smashes out a huge laugh.

"Not physically," he says, waving hands around his girth, but "a more rounded human being who has a much broader view". "I always thought outside the box and always had a pretty wide horizon but now it's become so much larger."

There are five children, there is inequality, there is his Great Enemy - the US government, which prosecutes war without thought of the consequences.
"It's not just about me," he says.

Guilty or not, the experience would be gruelling for anyone. His marriage disintegrated, like the company he had spent seven years building. Friendships ended, and other relationships became strained. He lost a fortune to FBI orders, built another and watched that go too, fuelling lawyers, lifestyle and politics.

Briefly, he was a pop-culture icon but then one with whom the public became tired. In public it's fine but he lives his life in the acid-bath of the internet where he says everyone is a "Rambo behind a keyboard".

"I'm a totally different person now. If you go through being a gladiator for four years, and fighting lions and dragons and very powerful giants, you get scars.

"You don't fight a fight like that without scars. You get injuries - but you also get stronger."

He's a different man even from the one who emerged from Mt Eden prison, where he had been kept until bail was granted. You've been through the wringer, I say.

"It's hard," he says.

How do you deal with it? He doesn't say anything for a while.

Then: "I see my kids. That's the only thing that works.

"It's a marathon. But I can do it. I've been through the worst. It can't get worse than it has been, so I can do it."

He wants to stay, and wants the children to always have New Zealand as an option. He looks at the world and sees little that encourages hope. New Zealand is the place to be, of this he is certain.

"I'm living in a place where I know a lot of people don't like me simply because I fought back. Those people will still be here even if I win now. It will be an ongoing struggle. I don't know if I want to be in an environment like that.

"I'm thinking about taking a break (legal obligations allowing), let a few governments change."

And then he will return. He wants to be Kiwi Dotcom.