"It was super, super exciting because working with Kody really gave us the freedom to do any idea that we wanted to do. I think the whole recording set-up was closely limited to an eight-track technique and that in itself meant the drums and everything sounded like recordings that we love, like the old Kinks recording and stuff," says Rowlands.
He adds that it's given the band a new-found appreciation for their craft.
"Going back to that technique, and deciding to track it live, you realise how hard you have to work to get to that point where your takes are good and no computers are needed to fix it. You also appreciate how good those bands were back in the day."
Rowlands accepts there could be some loyal listeners who don't like the direction they've taken with Nobody/Everybody but it's a move Clap Clap Riot is happy to defend.
"Before we went into recording, we knew working with Kody wasn't going to be polished enough for our previous rock audience. But we'd rather do something we're happy doing rather than feeling forced into a box to carry on doing. It's nerve wracking. But we think it's a strong album."
Nobody/Everybody is out now. Clap Clap Riot plays Galatos in Auckland on March 7. For more dates visit www.clapclapriot.com