NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather forecasts

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
  • Budget 2025
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
    • Cooking the Books
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • What the Actual
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / Business

Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google ready to reveal extent of decay

By Laurence Dodds, Margo Murphy and Olivia Rudgard
Daily Telegraph UK·
25 Jan, 2019 03:08 AM7 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌
Save

    Share this article

Shares in the so-called FAANGS have taken a beating, at one point shedding more than US$1 trillion in market value. Photo / AP

Shares in the so-called FAANGS have taken a beating, at one point shedding more than US$1 trillion in market value. Photo / AP

It has been a grisly three months for the world's most valuable technology companies.

Shares in the so-called FAANGS - a racy acronym denoting Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google - have taken a beating, at one point shedding more than US$1 trillion ($1.4t) in market value from the record highs they struck in 2018.

The plunge has been blamed for triggering the first bear market since 2009. But it's not just these companies' finances that have come under strain.

Silicon Valley has been engulfed by a string of sexual harassment scandals, employee protests, consumer fatigue and at least one high-profile affair.

There is evidence that the premium they once enjoyed over established rivals is coming to an end.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

JP Morgan says public tech companies are trading at one of the smallest premiums in their history, while the FAANGs' share price-to-earnings ratio has dropped by more than 60 per cent since early 2017.

Next week we will discover the real extent of the damage.

Amazon, Apple and Facebook will report their latest results, along with Tesla and Microsoft, which was during December the world's most valuable company.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Will their numbers be sufficient to deliver a boost for the sector, or will they unleash a new round of sell-offs?

It will certainly be judgment day for Amazon, whose founder and chief executive Jeff Bezos is lying low after his dirty laundry was aired in public.

Earth's richest man, estimated to be worth US$160 billion, announced he was divorcing his wife MacKenzie.

While the public was gripped by tales of jaunts on private jets with his new lover, the TV news presenter Lauren Sanchez, investors are keen to learn whether it was business as usual in the Seattle headquarters.

Discover more

Economy

Brace yourself - capital gains tax debate is about to go nuclear

25 Jan 07:46 PM
Business

Oceania Healthcare's net profit plummets 97%

24 Jan 09:34 PM
Media and marketing

Wicked Camper vans banned from popular music festival

24 Jan 10:11 PM
Business

Cryptopia investors worried by lack of info

25 Jan 12:25 AM

The forecast seems positive. Amazon, the world's largest online retailer and leading cloud computing provider, is expected to defy the wider downturn when it reports on January 31.

Early market data suggests it will beat estimates on Christmas sales in the US, despite a general drop in the UK.

But its previous results were disappointing, driving down shares as much as 10 per cent, and it warned at the time that operating profits could be as low as US$2.1b - flat with 2018. Despite this, Amazon's outlook is positively rosy compared with that for Apple.

The iPhone maker, which reports on January 29, has already warned of a slump in sales.

George Salmon, an analyst at Hargreaves Lansdown, predicts it "could sell fewer than 200m iPhones for the first time in four years".

Tim Cook, the chief executive, blamed Apple's new policy of offering battery replacements for older models, as well as a general economic slowdown in China. But few believe this to be the whole story.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

The smartphone market is widely expected to stagnate this year, and Apple is ill equipped to face that.

Apple and Amazon are increasingly turning to services which can bring in revenue continually, with healthcare a target.

Michael Hewson, an analyst at CMC Markets, says Amazon has the edge. The shopping giant is competing with Apple for smart speakers and tablets, where it shows strong sales. Its most recent report also showed growth in its advertising business, which represents a small but real threat to Google and Facebook.

As for Facebook, which reports on January 30, storm clouds are gathering. After years of high margins and high growth, Mark Zuckerberg warned in October that investors should expect slower progress in future.

Facebook's user base is pretty much at "saturation" in Europe and North America, and its sister services - Whatsapp, Instagram, and Facebook Messenger - have yet to prove their moneymaking prowess.

Zuckerberg has signalled that he thinks internet users are recoiling from semipublic posts towards private and disappearing messaging, but it remains to be seen whether Facebook can profit from that shift.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Sales of its new Portal video-calling device are unlikely to make much difference, even if it were a success.

And the company is exposed to China's slowdown to a degree most investors do not appreciate: though it remains banned by the Communist Party, several billion dollars of advertising is tied up in Chinese companies and their intermediaries.

Facebook's biggest problems, however, are political. After years of "moving fast and breaking things", and following several backfired attempts to smother its critics, Pivotal Research analyst Brian Wieser believes that the company is now "toxic" and further regulatory action, whether in the US, the EU or elsewhere, is inevitable.

That will, of course, mean fines, perhaps similar to the record €50 million ($83.6m) penalty dished out to Google by the French data regulator this week.

Wieser cites that ruling as evidence that Eurocrats are not impressed by Silicon Valley's attempts to comply with new data rules and that more such penalties are likely very soon.

But the more serious problem for Facebook is that the threat of regulation will force it to operate like a slow-moving "corporate citizen" rather than a nimble start-up, spending ever-increasing money on removing dangerous content and consulting carefully about every new project it launches. It could even be broken up by competition regulators.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

On the topic of fines, Google, whose parent company Alphabet reports on February 5, is also politically vulnerable but safer than Facebook.

New European data protection regulations have actually helped it somewhat, wiping out smaller rivals that lacked the capital to invest in compliance.

Its search engine, the largest part of its business, is still the most effective and successful example of digital advertising.

For that reason, according to Colin Sebastian, a senior analyst at Baird, it would be foolish to sell.

Its big weakness is in cloud computing. There is a running joke in the industry that Google, one of the largest and first investors in massive data centres, has yet to catch up with Amazon's data-storage service.

Many fear Google has missed the boat on this "massive opportunity". Do not expect to hear much about it either: Google still hides cloud computing in the "other bets" section of its report, making it impossible to untangle from its blue-sky investments in internet balloons and driverless cars.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

All these companies, despite their differences, may face one larger problem. At the start of this year Vincent Deluard, a strategist at INTL FCStone, wrote a provocative note proposing that the era of high-flying tech stocks is over for good.

"If technology is everywhere, the tech sector no longer exists," he said.

"If the tech sector no longer exists, its premium is no longer justified."

His argument is twofold. First, most of the FAANGs' competitors are now copying their methods well enough that they are no longer unique.

If legacy car manufacturers such as BMW are making electric cars just like Tesla, why should Elon Musk's company be trading at so many more multiples of its earnings?

Second, today's tech giants may simply have exhausted their capacity for innovation.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

"They are competing in existing industries versus creating new industries," says Deluard.

"When the iPhone came out it was something that created the market from scratch, and it took the industry several years to catch up."

Now, the industries they are trying to move into - such as medicine, grocery shopping and banking - will struggle to give them such explosive progress. Hence share premiums "reflect an era of growth that is unlikely to reoccur".

"In 2017 people thought Mark Zuckerberg was running for president, and Sheryl Sandberg was touted as this source of inspiration for young women," Deluard says.

"Just saying it today seems laughable... there was this almost mystical aura around them that could only compare to what Steve Jobs was able to command after his third resurrection. It turns out they were humans after all."

Save

    Share this article

Latest from Business

New Zealand

A Karaka homeowner says cladding on his new $1.27 million home makes “shotgun” sounds,

Premium
Property

‘Shotgun’ cladding: Homeowner complains about new $1.27m home, builder says nothing wrong

24 May 12:00 AM
Premium
Opinion

Bruce Cotterill: Standards in Parliament have hit rock bottom

23 May 11:00 PM

Deposit scheme reduces risk, boosts trust – General Finance

sponsored
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Latest from Business

A Karaka homeowner says cladding on his new $1.27 million home makes “shotgun” sounds,

A Karaka homeowner says cladding on his new $1.27 million home makes “shotgun” sounds,

Karam Pack and wife Liquan Wang bought the house in 2023 but since then, they have been complaining about the noise. Video \ Jason Dorday

Premium
‘Shotgun’ cladding: Homeowner complains about new $1.27m home, builder says nothing wrong

‘Shotgun’ cladding: Homeowner complains about new $1.27m home, builder says nothing wrong

24 May 12:00 AM
Premium
Bruce Cotterill: Standards in Parliament have hit rock bottom

Bruce Cotterill: Standards in Parliament have hit rock bottom

23 May 11:00 PM
Premium
Fran O’Sullivan: Nicola Willis' Budget is pragmatic, ruthless but also generous

Fran O’Sullivan: Nicola Willis' Budget is pragmatic, ruthless but also generous

23 May 09:00 PM
Gold demand soars amid global turmoil
sponsored

Gold demand soars amid global turmoil

NZ Herald
  • About NZ Herald
  • Meet the journalists
  • Newsletters
  • Classifieds
  • Help & support
  • Contact us
  • House rules
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of use
  • Competition terms & conditions
  • Our use of AI
Subscriber Services
  • NZ Herald e-editions
  • Daily puzzles & quizzes
  • Manage your digital subscription
  • Manage your print subscription
  • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
  • Subscribe to Herald Premium
  • Gift a subscription
  • Subscriber FAQs
  • Subscription terms & conditions
  • Promotions and subscriber benefits
NZME Network
  • The New Zealand Herald
  • The Northland Age
  • The Northern Advocate
  • Waikato Herald
  • Bay of Plenty Times
  • Rotorua Daily Post
  • Hawke's Bay Today
  • Whanganui Chronicle
  • Viva
  • NZ Listener
  • What the Actual
  • Newstalk ZB
  • BusinessDesk
  • OneRoof
  • Driven CarGuide
  • iHeart Radio
  • Restaurant Hub
NZME
  • About NZME
  • NZME careers
  • Advertise with NZME
  • Digital self-service advertising
  • Book your classified ad
  • Photo sales
  • NZME Events
  • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
TOP