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Death of Islamic State leader is scant consolation to a changed France

By Adam Nossiter
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31 Oct, 2019 09:05 PM7 mins to read

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Mourners outside Notre-Dame in November 2015, days after the Islamic State killed 131 people in Paris. Photo / Tomas Munita, The New York Times

Mourners outside Notre-Dame in November 2015, days after the Islamic State killed 131 people in Paris. Photo / Tomas Munita, The New York Times

The Islamic State's crimes, and the fear they instilled, have long since woven themselves into the fabric of French life.

The killing of the Islamic State leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was met this week with no outpouring of joy or even relief in France, even though this is the European country that suffered most from his depredations.

The reason is simple: the Islamic State's crimes, and the fear they instilled in the national psyche, are so ingrained in France that the daily fabric of life has been inexorably altered.

As if proof were needed, within the last month, a former far-right candidate shot two Muslims who stopped him from burning down a mosque. A Muslim mother was reprimanded by an official for wearing a head scarf. And President Emmanuel Macron called for a "society of vigilance" after a Muslim employee at Police Headquarters in Paris killed four officers in a knife attack.

These recent symptoms of what some call an ongoing trauma for France demonstrate why al-Baghdadi's death was ''no more than a step," as Macron put it Sunday in a muted reaction to the news.

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The demise of the terrorist leader did nothing to heal the wound that the Islamic State opened in French society with the terrorist attacks of 2015 and 2016. Every day, in the persistent mutual fear and suspicion that exists between France and its large, imperfectly integrated Muslim minority, the wound festers.

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In a survey published Sunday by IFOP, a respected polling firm, in the Journal du Dimanche, 61 per cent of respondents said that Islam was "incompatible with the values of French society," an increase of 8 per cent over February. Nearly 80 per cent said they felt that the vaunted French creed of secularism was "in danger," largely because of Islam.

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The wound existed well before the Islamic State attacks of November 2015 at the Bataclan and elsewhere in Paris. But the massacres perpetrated by al-Baghdadi's foot soldiers — roughly 1,700 French citizens joined the Islamic State, of whom perhaps 700 were fighters — exacerbated the split between France and its Muslims.

The massacres also amplified the scope of judicial and police control over French society, and created a far more receptive climate for tough police repression. That was evident in this year's gloves-off handling of the Yellow Vest protesters, which was largely accepted by the French despite thousands of wounded.

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There is dispute in France about the extent of the civil liberties rollback since the terrorist attacks. A prominent constitutional lawyer and sometime-adviser to Macron, François Sureau, published a much-discussed pamphlet last month in which he lamented the "crumbling of the legal edifice of liberties" in France, partly because of 2015.

Security at the Louvre after the 2015 attacks. Four years later, few have called for the state to loosen its grip. Photo / Tomas Munita, The New York Times
Security at the Louvre after the 2015 attacks. Four years later, few have called for the state to loosen its grip. Photo / Tomas Munita, The New York Times

Other experts call this an exaggeration.

But there is no doubt that the mood has remained tense since al-Baghdadi unleashed his agents on France four years ago. There are few calls for the state to lighten its grip. The attack of November 2015, in which 131 died, changed France, and the country's leaders have benefited from popular recognition that new circumstances required new methods.

"It's clear that it had an extremely powerful traumatic effect, which has inserted itself into the debate associated with Islam in France," said Zaki Laïdi, a political scientist at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, known as Sciences Po, who was an adviser to France's then-prime minister, Manuel Valls, at the time of the attacks.

Another adviser to Valls at the time, Chloe Morin, now at the IPSOS polling firm, said, "There's a diminished tolerance toward Muslims now."

But the attacks only exacerbated an already troubled relationship between France and its Muslim population, nearly all agree.

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"The attacks heightened this climate of fear regarding Islam," said Tareq Oubrou, an imam in Bordeaux who is a leading proponent of a reformist strain of Islam. "The ordinary citizen makes no distinction between terrorism, Islamism and sectarianism," he said.

The existing difficulties, pre-2015, between France and French Muslims were "considerably amplified by the wound that France suffered, of course," Laïdi said.

"It was a massive shock, this huge eruption of the Islamist presence," he said.

In the prime minister's office, "they said to themselves, 'How will the country manage this shock?'" Morin recalled.

The government they both served quickly imposed a state of emergency.

A memorial in Nice, France, in July 2016, after a man drove a truck through a crowd, killing more than 80 people. The Islamic State claimed responsibility. Photo / Mauricio Lima, The New York Times
A memorial in Nice, France, in July 2016, after a man drove a truck through a crowd, killing more than 80 people. The Islamic State claimed responsibility. Photo / Mauricio Lima, The New York Times

It survives in part to this day, codified permanently in French law by Macron — the very measures deplored by civil libertarian jurists like Sureau.

The most notable of these measures allow for expanded and renewable house arrests of people under suspicion, searches without judicial warrant, and the imposition of electronic bracelets. Sureau, in his pamphlet, wrote that "the state of emergency was 6,000 searches for 40 arrests, of which 20 were for excusing terrorism."

But there was little sustained opposition to the new measures, either when they were first imposed or later enacted into law.

Laïdi observed that "the immense majority of French don't feel that their civil liberties are threatened" — and the evidence for that is the stillborn debate over the harshness of police tactics in response to the violent Yellow Vest demonstrations. Scattered protests led to nothing.

Sureau, the lawyer, himself won several important appeals of emergency measures at France's Constitutional Council, the equivalent of the Supreme Court, including one that criminalised looking at "terrorist" websites — proving, in the eyes of his critics, that civil liberties in the country are in good shape.

"Historically, the French demand protection from the state," Laïdi said. "The attacks only reinforced that expectation."

Yet the muted reactions in France to two recent policy balloons floated by Macron show that despite the attacks of 2015, the French are not ready to tighten the screws further and become a full-bore national security state.

Macron issued his call for a "society of vigilance" after the October killings at Paris police headquarters, enjoining the French to be "on the lookout at school, at work, in places of worship, close to home" for signs of radicalisation among fellow citizens.

The idea fell flat and there has been no follow-up.

The Eiffel Tower after the November 2015 attacks. Photo / Pierre Terdjman, The New York Times
The Eiffel Tower after the November 2015 attacks. Photo / Pierre Terdjman, The New York Times

For the French elites, Morin of IPSOS observed, it sounded too much as if the president was calling on citizens to snoop on and denounce one another. For some, the chief of state appeared to be renouncing a traditional government role in France, providing protection.

Vexed by the sharp rise in asylum-seekers, Macron earlier had sounded a warning about immigration, in a speech to members of his own party.

"Are we to be the bourgeois party, or what?" Macron asked. "The bourgeois don't have to deal with immigration. It's the poorer districts that are on the receiving end," he said. "We don't have the right not to look this issue in the face."

Again, public reaction was unenthusiastic to what was seen in his own party as the equivalent of harsh, far-right rhetoric on immigration.

For some political analysts, the legacy of 2015 is mixed: heightened public awareness of risks, but unwillingness to forsake traditional French liberties.

"There was a consciousness-raising," said Laïdi of Sciences Po. "But there's no xenophobia," he said. "French society is extremely attached to individual liberty."


Written by: Adam Nossiter

Photographs by: Tomas Munita, Pierre Terdjman and Mauricio Lima

© 2019 THE NEW YORK TIMES

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