NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Herald NOW
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
  • Herald NOW
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Politics
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Herald NOW
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / Sport / Rugby

Rugby: Saint Andre in struggle to lift modest French

By John Daniell
Herald on Sunday·
1 Jun, 2013 05:30 PM4 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌
Save

    Share this article

Philippe Saint-Andre. Photo / Getty Images

Philippe Saint-Andre. Photo / Getty Images

Nicknamed Piglet for his skittery running style, Philippe Saint-André is best known here as captain of the only French team to win a test series on New Zealand soil.

Mistakenly billed as a warm-up act before the first post-apartheid Springbok tour, Les Bleus beat the All Blacks 2-0 in 1994, winning the second test with what came to be known in France as "the try from the end of the world". Down 20-16 with just three minutes remaining, Saint-André fielded a kick in his own 22 and ran the ball back, sparking a counter-attack that ended with Jean-Luc Sadourny scoring at the other end of the park.

As coach, Saint-André has also made history but not in the same way. After mixed results in his first Six Nations in 2012 (two wins, two losses and a draw) and last year's tour of Argentina (won one, lost one) followed by encouraging victories against Australia, Argentina and Samoa at home in November, France won only one game and finished last in 2013, Six Nations wooden spooners for the first time.

Traditionally considered one of the big five, they have now slipped to sixth place in the IRB rankings behind Wales. Under fire, the coach complained of the difficulties he had getting access to players to prepare for the tournament because the clubs wouldn't release them - and the large number of foreigners in the Top 14.

Mourad Boudjellal, president of Toulon and Saint-André's former boss, responded sharply, labelling his ex-coach "a whinger" and saying there was plenty of talent around - the real problem was with the coaching. He also made the point that the French had come within a whisker of winning the last World Cup, so the system couldn't be that bad.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

It is a fair point - although France would not have made it out of the pool stages if Tonga had not suffered an upset loss to Canada, so perhaps the system is not totally foolproof.

At the 2011 World Cup, Saint-André's predecessor Marc Lievremont appeared to be operating in chaos, sporting an Inspector Clouseau moustache, ripping up coaching manuals and telling his team - via the press - that they were "spoilt brats" while making some eye-watering decisions.

For all that, France did emerge in V-shaped formation for the final and proceeded to scare hell out of the whole of New Zealand for 80 minutes.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Lievremont managed to get under the skin of his players and wind them up to a peak when it mattered, but whether that was all part of a cunning plan or just a last desperate roll of the dice is a tough call.

In any case, you can't build a team solely around emotion and decent foundations had already been laid - France drew the 2009 series 1-1 in New Zealand and won the Dave Gallaher trophy for the first time, another result from the Lievremont era that isn't easy to live up to for Saint-André. When a journalist suggested he must be aiming to win at least one test match this time round, Saint-André smiled, shuffled sideways and waffled about being on "a pathway to progress", the importance of his team's etat d'esprit and the difficulty of playing against the best in the world.

Former French centre and now manager of Dax, Richard Dourthe says that while there has to be a question mark over Saint-André, he's in no danger of losing his job - not least because he is adept at managing expectations and there are no plausible candidates to take his place.

"He's a smart guy, he's got two good assistants in Yannick Bru and Patrice Lagisquet and he knows how to play the media. He's been talking about building a team since he first got there but every time France lose, he says they have to start all over again. That can't last forever.

Discover more

Super Rugby

Rugby: Thorn tosses up future options after roller coaster couple of years

31 May 05:30 PM
Super Rugby

Rugby: Lealiifano boots Brumbies past 'Canes

31 May 06:16 PM
Sport|rugby

Rugby: Crusaders' injury fears

31 May 11:30 PM
Rugby

Rugby: The foreign legion prop up Les Bleus

01 Jun 05:30 PM

"You can always find an excuse - there are plenty of reasons for not winning this game or that game and he won't be under any pressure if he loses against the All Blacks in New Zealand. That said, I don't know what his vision for the future is."

The clock is ticking.

Save

    Share this article

Latest from Rugby

Rugby Sevens

Former Australian sevens star returns to rugby after transitioning

22 Jun 07:00 AM
Super Rugby

'Not sure yet' – Penney coy on Crusaders coaching future

22 Jun 03:29 AM
Premium
Rugby

How rugby data changed All Blacks selection process

22 Jun 02:00 AM

Help for those helping hardest-hit

sponsored
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Latest from Rugby

Former Australian sevens star returns to rugby after transitioning

Former Australian sevens star returns to rugby after transitioning

22 Jun 07:00 AM

Ellia Green won Olympic gold in 2016 and had a brief stint with the Warriors NRLW side.

'Not sure yet' – Penney coy on Crusaders coaching future

'Not sure yet' – Penney coy on Crusaders coaching future

22 Jun 03:29 AM
Premium
How rugby data changed All Blacks selection process

How rugby data changed All Blacks selection process

22 Jun 02:00 AM
Premium
New All Blacks squad: The four rookies who could get call-up

New All Blacks squad: The four rookies who could get call-up

21 Jun 11:01 PM
How a Timaru mum of three budding chefs stretched her grocery shop
sponsored

How a Timaru mum of three budding chefs stretched her grocery shop

NZ Herald
  • About NZ Herald
  • Meet the journalists
  • Newsletters
  • Classifieds
  • Help & support
  • Contact us
  • House rules
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of use
  • Competition terms & conditions
  • Our use of AI
Subscriber Services
  • NZ Herald e-editions
  • Daily puzzles & quizzes
  • Manage your digital subscription
  • Manage your print subscription
  • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
  • Subscribe to Herald Premium
  • Gift a subscription
  • Subscriber FAQs
  • Subscription terms & conditions
  • Promotions and subscriber benefits
NZME Network
  • The New Zealand Herald
  • The Northland Age
  • The Northern Advocate
  • Waikato Herald
  • Bay of Plenty Times
  • Rotorua Daily Post
  • Hawke's Bay Today
  • Whanganui Chronicle
  • Viva
  • NZ Listener
  • Newstalk ZB
  • BusinessDesk
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • iHeart Radio
  • Restaurant Hub
NZME
  • About NZME
  • NZME careers
  • Advertise with NZME
  • Digital self-service advertising
  • Book your classified ad
  • Photo sales
  • NZME Events
  • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
TOP