NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Herald NOW
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
  • Herald NOW
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Politics
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Herald NOW
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / Politics

<i>John Armstrong</i>: Greens go after a real climate change

By John Armstrong
NZ Herald·
30 May, 2008 05:00 PM6 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌
Save

    Share this article

Opinion by

KEY POINTS:

Rarely has the Labour Party been given a dressing down from a supposed ally quite like the one Jeanette Fitzsimons' dished out in Parliament on Thursday afternoon.

Her scathing denunciation of Labour's record on climate change and other environmental matters would take some beating in terms of its
savagery and sarcasm.

The Greens' co-leader hurled question after question at the Prime Minister to clinically, but brutally expose the gulf between Labour's "sustainability" rhetoric and the more mundane reality.

Fitzsimons asked how credible was Helen Clark's facade of carbon neutrality and claim of "world leadership on sustainability" when greenhouse gas emissions had jumped by 14 per cent since Labour came to power.

How credible was that facade when 75 per cent of new electricity generation came from non-renewable thermal fuels, the Department of Conservation has just sacked 60 staff and the Government took pride in having the largest road-building programme the country had ever witnessed.

On Fitzsimons went, even throwing the threatened extinction of the Hector's dolphin into her catalogue of Labour's failings. Michael Cullen, replying for the absent Clark, parried some of the onslaught by pointing out, in case the Greens hadn't noticed, he had just bought back the railways.

Labour is used to such periodic eruptions from Parliament's cross-benches. But this one had more than the usual bite. It was partly motivated by frustration at Labour's recent delay of crucial components of the emissions trading system. It reflected annoyance that Labour has captured the language of climate change politics but has been getting away with failing to deliver the goods.

Coming six months out from the election and on the eve of their annual conference, however, this was also a case of the Greens getting bolshie ahead of a possible power shift on the centre-left.

The Greens face the best of worlds and the worst of worlds. There has never been a time when their issues have been so relevant. In addition, minor parties tend to do well when the fortunes of the major party on their side of the political spectrum are on the wane.

However, though the Greens may well return to Parliament in bigger numbers and with their leverage correspondingly increased, the aftermath of this year's election must look distinctly unattractive from their perspective.

National will likely dominate the next Parliament in numbers not far short of a majority. To govern, National could conceivably need the Greens to abstain on confidence motions. Propping up a National-led Government is still outside most Greens' comfort zones, however. And after nine years in Opposition, National's policy agenda is hardly going to be bursting with initiatives in accord with Green thinking.

If the election result is closer the Greens, with the help of other minor players, may be able to prop up a fourth-term Labour-led Government. But that administration would be hugely unpopular if it was seen as being cobbled together simply to thwart National. It would probably be too unstable to last. And if it did, would the Greens want to go down in a screaming heap with Labour at the 2011 election?

Such ugly scenarios will be at the forefront of delegates' minds as the party this weekend ratifies new procedures for handling post-election negotiations.

These procedures have been formulated by the party hierarchy and follow months of consultation with the wider membership on how the Greens should position themselves in the lead-up to an election.

They will campaign as a totally independent party. The decision on which of the two major parties they might seek to have some relationship with post-election will be based on an assessment of those parties' respective policies.

The results of that assessment will be announced around four weeks prior to the election. .

The procedures are neutral and do not state any preference for one partner over another. This is markedly different to three years ago when the Greens declared they wanted to be part of a Labour-led Government and would not be talking to National.

However, Labour's post-election spurning of the Greens caused deep hurt. That has persisted despite the relationship being patched up by a co-operation agreement which saw Labour agree to implement a long list of policy concessions in return for the Greens abstaining on confidence motions.

That anti-Labour undercurrent surfaced during the repositioning exercise with unanimity across the party that it adopt a more "independent" stance - as in "independent from Labour".

Any independence is illusory, however. The Greens are hamstrung by being to Labour's left. Simple ideology means they have to work with Labour. Even if the Greens dropped their drive for "social justice" and shifted to the centre they would still lean far more heavily Labour's way.

Labour, of course, realises this and behaves accordingly.

While National and the Greens maintain channels of communication, the likelihood of a post-election deal remains extremely slim.

Not only are many Greens loath to deal with National on principle, they are petrified that even talk of co-operation will make the party's left-leaning supporters take flight.

They see such talk as only helping to legitimise National's questionable environmental credentials at both their and Labour's expense.

National's likely first preference will be to stitch up a deal with the Maori Party. However, it is interested in building relationships with parties like the Greens, ready for the time it will need their support.

It is conceivable that National and the Greens could agree to co-operate on policies where they share the same goals as a tentative first step to something bigger.

But electoral mathematics suggest that if National needs the Greens, then Labour will also be a player in post-election talks.

Even if National wins more seats than Labour, the odds are heavily stacked on the Greens favouring the latter.

But at a price. Labour has effectively shut the Greens out of Government three elections in a row.

The warning underlying Fitzsimons' attack on Thursday is that the Greens will this time be asking a very high price for their co-operation. With NZ First and United facing electoral slaughter, they could be in a position to do so.

When it comes to price, Fitzsimons is not referring to the baubles of office. The Greens may judge it wiser to stay outside the Government, while demanding policy undertakings and possibly holding ministerial portfolios under similar arrangements to those that Winston Peters and Peter Dunne currently have with Labour.

What Fitzsimons was really flagging is the Greens' intention to hammer out a deal under which Labour will be held to account so the reality of climate change policy starts to match Labour's boasting.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Save

    Share this article

Latest from Politics

Premium
Opinion

'More powerful than penalties': New ombudsman's vision for change

22 Jun 05:00 PM
Politics

New Ombudsman John Allen at select committee

Premium
Healthcare

ACC faces scrutiny over slow payouts after law change

22 Jun 05:00 PM

Help for those helping hardest-hit

sponsored
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Latest from Politics

Premium
'More powerful than penalties': New ombudsman's vision for change

'More powerful than penalties': New ombudsman's vision for change

22 Jun 05:00 PM

The new Ombudsman has been in his role for just 12 weeks.

New Ombudsman John Allen at select committee

New Ombudsman John Allen at select committee

Premium
ACC faces scrutiny over slow payouts after law change

ACC faces scrutiny over slow payouts after law change

22 Jun 05:00 PM
Govt reserves view on US’ Iran strikes as NZ deploys Hercules plane to Middle East

Govt reserves view on US’ Iran strikes as NZ deploys Hercules plane to Middle East

22 Jun 02:56 AM
How a Timaru mum of three budding chefs stretched her grocery shop
sponsored

How a Timaru mum of three budding chefs stretched her grocery shop

NZ Herald
  • About NZ Herald
  • Meet the journalists
  • Newsletters
  • Classifieds
  • Help & support
  • Contact us
  • House rules
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of use
  • Competition terms & conditions
  • Our use of AI
Subscriber Services
  • NZ Herald e-editions
  • Daily puzzles & quizzes
  • Manage your digital subscription
  • Manage your print subscription
  • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
  • Subscribe to Herald Premium
  • Gift a subscription
  • Subscriber FAQs
  • Subscription terms & conditions
  • Promotions and subscriber benefits
NZME Network
  • The New Zealand Herald
  • The Northland Age
  • The Northern Advocate
  • Waikato Herald
  • Bay of Plenty Times
  • Rotorua Daily Post
  • Hawke's Bay Today
  • Whanganui Chronicle
  • Viva
  • NZ Listener
  • Newstalk ZB
  • BusinessDesk
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • iHeart Radio
  • Restaurant Hub
NZME
  • About NZME
  • NZME careers
  • Advertise with NZME
  • Digital self-service advertising
  • Book your classified ad
  • Photo sales
  • NZME Events
  • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
TOP