Labour leader Chris Hipkins on Covid inquiry, Tāmaki Makaurau, banks and tax. Video / Herald NOW
The second set of public hearings for the Covid-19 Royal Commission has been axed after key witnesses, including former Prime Minister Dame Jacinda Ardern, refused to appear.
Those witnesses, including Labour leader Chris Hipkins and former ministers Grant Robertson and Ayesha Verrall, continue to co-operate with the inquiry.
The National-ledcoalition Government decided in June last year to establish a “phase two” of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Covid-19 Lessons, to take place after the completion of the original inquiry set up under the previous Labour Government.
Chair Grant Illingworth has the power to summons people to appear before the inquiry, but said he would not use it on Ardern and the other ministers.
“On balance we are of the view that a summons is undesirable, given that the former ministers continue to co-operate with the evidence-gathering of the inquiry.
Grant Illingworth KC, chair of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Covid-19 pandemic response, is leading the investigation into how the government managed the crisis. Photo / Covid 19 inquiry via RNZ
“It is our opinion that the use of summonses to achieve their participation at a public hearing would be legalistic and adversarial, which our terms of reference prohibit,” Illingworth said.
He said he still believed public hearings would enhance public confidence in the inquiry’s processes by enabling the public to see former ministers – who have critical insights into the pandemic response – questioned in public.
A minute, published by the inquiry, recorded the objections of Ardern and the other ministers.
These objections included the convention that ministers and former ministers are interviewed by inquiries in private, and departing from that convention would undermine confidence.
They were also concerned that the livestreaming and publication of recordings of the hearing creates a risk of those recordings being “tampered with, manipulated or otherwise misused”, a risk which the inquiry “ought to have foreseen and planned for”.
Other witnesses raised concerns that providing evidence at public hearings might bring risks of abuse being directed at them and their families.
This afternoon, Hipkins affirmed he was not hiding from the hearings.
“We have shown up to the enquiry, I have shown up to the enquiry. I have been interviewed by them twice,” he told reporters during a standup.
“I have provided written evidence to the enquiry, I answered every question they had and I attended the interview they scheduled for me.
“They asked for two hours, but they ran out of questions after an hour.”
Hipkins said he did not coordinate his approach with Ardern.
“She is still a very close friend of mine. We have people representing us in common, but any suggestion we colluded with this is wrong.”
He said it was inappropriate for him to speak on behalf of Ardern.
“By first dismissing Treasury’s report and now refusing to front, Chris Hipkins is telling New Zealanders he does not care about the effects his decisions have had on Kiwis.”
Deputy Prime Minister David Seymour said Ardern, Verrall and Hipkins’ refusal to publicly appear before the commission was a change from “invading our living rooms daily”.
“Hipkins and co loved the limelight at 1pm every day. They wielded extraordinary powers over citizens’ lives, dismissing those who questioned them as uncaring. Now they’re refusing to even show up, what a contrast,” he said.
“Tens of thousands of New Zealanders have already engaged with the inquiry, sharing experiences of how their lives were upended.
“They deserve the basic respect of accountability,” Seymour said.
‘Conspiracy theorist views’
Last month, in a brief statement, a spokesperson said Ardern will provide evidence to assist the commission “in meeting its terms of reference”.
“We are in discussions about the best way for this to occur.
“She is also happy for the commission to access her previous testimony from RC1 [Commission of Inquiry first stage].”
Hipkins, appearing on Herald NOWlast month, said he had issues with the way the second phase of the Royal Commission had been set up, particularly the decision to exclude from consideration the years that NZ First was governing with Labour.
“The fact that the [Royal Commission] terms of reference specifically exclude decisions made when NZ First were part of the [Labour-led coalition] Government … I think the terms of reference have been deliberately constructed to achieve a particular outcome, particularly around providing a platform for those who have conspiracy theorist views.
