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Election 2023: Audrey Young - what a National-Act Cabinet might look like

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By Audrey Young
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31 Jul, 2023 05:00 PM10 mins to read

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A National-Act cabinet would require some difficult negotiations by Christopher Luxon, left, and David Seymour. Photos / NZME

A National-Act cabinet would require some difficult negotiations by Christopher Luxon, left, and David Seymour. Photos / NZME

OPINION

In the first of two pieces on the next Cabinet, Audrey Young looks at a possible National-Act combination. Next week, she examines what a possible Labour-Greens-Māori Party Cabinet could look like.

National leader Christopher Luxon will face several big dilemmas over Cabinet roles if he is in a position to lead the next government.

The biggest would be: how significant Act’s portfolios should be, who should be Speaker, who should be Agriculture Minister, who should lead climate change, and how law and order portfolios should be divided.

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The resolution of each has flow-on effects to other jobs.

If there were a two-party majority coalition between National and Act, Act leader David Seymour would almost certainly become Deputy Prime Minister.

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In negotiations, he could seek but not expect to get Finance. He could expect Act’s number of ministers to be roughly proportional to the number of MPs making up the coalition.

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The list below would give Act almost a quarter of ministerial positions, six out of 28 ministers, and jobs that would be meaningful to Act. National would have 22 ministers and the speakership.

The three contenders for Speaker would be Gerry Brownlee, the longest-serving National MP; Judith Collins, a former party leader; and Michael Woodhouse, the shadow leader of the House.

Brownlee is the favourite to become Speaker in any National government, mainly because the other two would be more problematic. Collins would probably be a competent and fair Speaker but she has been a polarising figure within her own party, and the position of Speaker would give her prominence and power that a new-look government might want to avoid.

Woodhouse is one of those active terrier types of MP who gets into everything that moves and often irritates MPs across the House. He would be the least popular option.

The trouble with appointing Brownlee is that it would deny him the chance to become Foreign Minister again, a job he held in the last months of the Bill English government. He is on top of foreign affairs and the fine nuances it often involves. On the issue of great-power rivalry, there is not a whisker of difference at present between him and the current government on its approach to China, the United States and Australia.

But Brownlee is likely to be favoured for Speaker by the party leadership.

The other two contenders for the prestigious Foreign Affairs role would be Judith Collins, who has the seniority for such a role, and Todd McClay, who has the experience as a former Trade Minister.

Collins is likely to be favoured, as a recognition for her service to the party. Her leadership ended badly with a no-confidence vote in 2021, but she stepped into the breach when the party was falling apart in 2020 and her competence as a minister is not questioned.

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McClay is at the centre of another major dilemma for Luxon – who to make agriculture minister. Incredibly for the so-called party of farmers, McClay, a townie from Rotorua, is National’s agriculture spokesman. Almost matching Chris Hipkins’ loss of ministers, National is onto its fourth agriculture spokesperson since the last election.

It began with David Bennett under Collins, who was switched out for Barbara Kuriger under Luxon, who was dumped for an improper feud with the Ministry for Primary Industries, who was replaced by former leader Todd Muller, who was replaced by McClay when Muller announced his retirement.

It would be surprising to see Kuriger make any ministry in the foreseeable future.

Losing agriculture to Act is the dead rat National should swallow for the parlous state of affairs – that National has run out of farmers. Act recruited a president of Federated Farmers as a candidate, Andrew Hoggard, and has placed him at No 5 on its list, and the party has every claim to the job.

McClay however, should keep trade, and could pick up two portfolios in biosecurity and food safety that would require National and Act to work closely together on agriculture.

National is hoping three farmers will be elected as new MPs, Grant McCallum in Northland, Suze Redmayne in Rangītikei, and possibly Miles Anderson in Waitaki.

It could not argue that Hoggard, as an MP straight off the farm, could not immediately become a minister. National itself is expected to promote list-only newcomer James Christmas straight into a ministerial role as Attorney-General and Treaty Negotiations minister.

He learned the ropes as a ministerial adviser to Christopher Finlayson when he was Attorney General, Treaty Negotiations Minister and responsible for the intelligence agencies.

Former leader and retiring Bay of Plenty MP Todd Muller. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Former leader and retiring Bay of Plenty MP Todd Muller. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Muller’s decision to retire presents Luxon with a big problem in the event he gets to lead a government because Muller would have been the clear choice for Climate Change Minister.

He worked closely with Greens co-leader James Shaw on the Zero Carbon bill and understands the complexities and politics of the issue and had standing with rural New Zealand.

The other National MP with established greenish credentials is Erica Stanford. But as a future Education Minister, that portfolio is too big for any add-ons at all.

The increasing importance of the portfolio and the effects of climate policy on the economy requires the oversight of a senior minister in the short-term at least.

That is why in this exercise of producing a potential Cabinet, it is under the direct responsibility of the Finance Minister, Nicola Willis, with the assistance of the existing spokesman, first-term MP Simon Watts, as an associate minister.

An alternative would be to give it to the highly competent Chris Bishop and offload his housing portfolio to Simeon Brown to develop the synergies between transport and housing.

Another problem for Luxon would be the allocation of law-and-order jobs, Justice, Police and Corrections, and would be a potential point of contention between National and Act. Given Act’s long-held policy focus on law and order, it could justifiably demand one of the law and order portfolios.

Justice is the lead agency in the law-and-order space and should go to National’s main law-and-order guy, Mark Mitchell, who is currently spokesman for Police and Corrections.

Corrections would be an appropriate portfolio to allocate to Nicole McKee in Act. The only question for National would then be whether to split Police and Justice between two people. If it used its common sense, it would keep them both together as the Government has at present, and give them both to Mitchell.

Contrary to common belief, Police is not and should not be a big portfolio. Because of its separation from government, it requires a very light touch by a minister but who should have open ears about what would make policing better.

The real hefty portfolio is Justice, where the policy work is done across the whole sector.

National’s Justice spokesman is currently Paul Goldsmith but it does not make sense to fragment the sector too much. If nothing else in his time in Parliament, Goldsmith has shown that he is versatile.

He could pick up a mix of responsibilities including energy and resources, and oversight of the Crown agency Te Arawhiti, set up by Kelvin Davis. It provides oversight and direction to the public sector about the Crown’s responsibility as a Treaty partner, claims under the Takutai Moana Act, and ensures that the Crown’s Treaty settlement commitments are met. In an earlier life, Goldsmith worked for the Waitangi Tribunal and has maintained an interest in Treaty policy.

David Seymour on election night 2020. Photo / Brett Phibbs, PhibbsVisuals
David Seymour on election night 2020. Photo / Brett Phibbs, PhibbsVisuals

Under the scenario below, the first six ranked on Act’s list would become ministers.

David Seymour would become Minister of Regulation and, as Act has promised, set up a Ministry of Regulation to identify regulations that would be cut and set standards against which new laws and regulations would need to be measured.

Deputy leader Brooke van Velden would be responsible for re-establishing partnership schools and could almost choose what area of Health she wanted under a delegation as an associate minister, such as Pharmac.

Nicole McKee would get Corrections and, as a committed outdoors woman, become the new minister of Hunting and Fishing.

Karen Chhour, a former state ward, would become the Minister for Children to oversee reforms in Oranga Tamariki.

Hoggard would go straight into agriculture and another newcomer, Todd Stephenson, No 6 on the list, could become minister Small Business and Minister of ACC.

The hypothetical Cabinet list below sees some National MPs missing out on a ministerial post, including Kaikōura’s Stuart Smith, and Tamaki’s Simon O’Connor. They have been leap-frogged by newer MPs such as Tama Potaka and Nicola Grigg.

The fact is that National has so few Māori and women MPs that so long as they are competent and have not marred their record, as Kuriger did, they will get consideration over some of the longer servers.

First-termer Simon Watts distinguished himself with his work opposing the Three Waters reforms and could get local government. Another first-termer, Penny Simmonds, is a former chief executive of the Southern Institute of Technology and is a shoo-in as minister. Her primary goal would be to dismantle Te Pukenga, the amalgamated polytechnics.

If New Zealand First was required to form a government, and Cabinet positions were part of the deal, leader Winston Peters could again claim the post of Foreign Affairs.

In that case, Judith Collins could be given Defence. If Shane Jones made it back to Parliament with Peters, he could get portfolios aligned to boosting the economic development of Northland and its transport links.

An obvious missing element in this scenario is any Pacific minister. Agnes Loheni, a former National list MP, could return as a list-only candidate and could be squeezed into the ministry. Andrew Bayly and Scott Simpson are likely to be the first to go if the ministry were reduced in size.

This hypothetical scenario sees the Prime Minister initially retaining oversight of the intelligence agencies, with assistance from James Christmas as an associate minister.

Luxon’s likely Cabinet

Christopher Luxon

Prime Minister

National security and intelligence agencies

National Party leader Christopher Luxon. Photo / Mike Scott
National Party leader Christopher Luxon. Photo / Mike Scott


Nicola Willis

Finance

Climate Change

National deputy leader Nicola Willis. Photo / Mark Mitchell
National deputy leader Nicola Willis. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Chris Bishop

Infrastructure

Housing

Leader of the House

National's No 3 Chris Bishop. Photo / Mark Mitchell
National's No 3 Chris Bishop. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Shane Reti

Health

National health spokesman Dr Shane Reti. Photo / Mark Mitchell
National health spokesman Dr Shane Reti. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Paul Goldsmith

Economic Development

Energy and Resources

Te Arawhiti

The versatile MP and current Justice spokesman Paul Goldsmith. Photo / Mark Mitchell
The versatile MP and current Justice spokesman Paul Goldsmith. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Louise Upston

Social Development and Employment

Child Poverty Reduction

Social Investment

Social development spokeswoman and Taupo MP Louise Upston. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Social development spokeswoman and Taupo MP Louise Upston. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Erica Stanford

Education

East Coast Bays MP and Education spokeswoman Erica Stanford. Photo / Mark Mitchell
East Coast Bays MP and Education spokeswoman Erica Stanford. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Matt Doocey

Mental Health

Disability Issues

Community and Voluntary Sector

Youth

Mental health spokesman Matt Doocey. Photo / Alex Cairns
Mental health spokesman Matt Doocey. Photo / Alex Cairns


Simeon Brown

Transport

Public Service

Auckland

Building and Construction

Simeon Brown at a transport meeting in Tauranga. Photo / Alex Cairns
Simeon Brown at a transport meeting in Tauranga. Photo / Alex Cairns


Judith Collins

Foreign Affairs

Digital Economy and Communications

Pacific Peoples

Women’s Affairs

Former leader Judith Collins. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Former leader Judith Collins. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Mark Mitchell

Justice

Police, SFO

Police and Corrections spokesman and Whangaparaoa MP Mark Mitchell. Photo / Jed Bradley
Police and Corrections spokesman and Whangaparaoa MP Mark Mitchell. Photo / Jed Bradley


Todd McClay

Trade

Customs

Biosecurity

Food Safety

Rotorua MP and former Trade Minister Todd McClay. Photo / Andrew Warner
Rotorua MP and former Trade Minister Todd McClay. Photo / Andrew Warner


Melissa Lee

Broadcasting

Arts, Culture and Heritage

Diversity, Inclusion and Ethnic Communities

Melissa Lee at Parliament. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Melissa Lee at Parliament. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Andrew Bayly

Revenue

EQC, SOEs

Veterans

Port Waikato MP Andrew Bayly. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Port Waikato MP Andrew Bayly. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Gerry Brownlee

Speaker

National 's longest-serving MP Gerry Brownlee. Photo / Mark Mitchell
National 's longest-serving MP Gerry Brownlee. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Michael Woodhouse

Immigration

Workplace Relations and Safety

Sport and Recreation

Dunedin-based list MP Michael Woodhouse. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Dunedin-based list MP Michael Woodhouse. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Scott Simpson

Environment

Coromandel MP Scott Simpson. Photo / Supplied
Coromandel MP Scott Simpson. Photo / Supplied


Penny Simmonds

Tertiary Education

Research, Science and Technology

Internal Affairs

Former chief executive of the Southland Institute of Technology Penny Simmonds. Photo / Bevan Conley.
Former chief executive of the Southland Institute of Technology Penny Simmonds. Photo / Bevan Conley.


Simon Watts

Local Government

Associate Climate Change

Emergency Management

North Shore MP Simon Watts. Photo / File
North Shore MP Simon Watts. Photo / File


Chris Penk

Defence

Commerce and Consumer Affairs

Seniors

Chris Penk, MP for Kaipara ki Mahurangi and senior National whip. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Chris Penk, MP for Kaipara ki Mahurangi and senior National whip. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Nicola Grigg

Conservation

Tourism

Statistics

MP for Selwyn and first-term MP Nicola Grigg. Photo / Supplied
MP for Selwyn and first-term MP Nicola Grigg. Photo / Supplied


Tama Potaka

Maori Development

Forestry

Oceans and Fisheries

Land Information

Tama Potaka giving his maiden speech this year after winning the Hamilton West byelection. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Tama Potaka giving his maiden speech this year after winning the Hamilton West byelection. Photo / Mark Mitchell


James Christmas

Attorney-General

Treaty Negotiations

Associate Minister for SIS, GCSB

James Christmas, a National list-only candidate and former adviser to Christopher Finlayson. Photo / Supplied
James Christmas, a National list-only candidate and former adviser to Christopher Finlayson. Photo / Supplied


ACT PARTY

David Seymour

Deputy Prime Minister

Regulation

Act leader David Seymour on Budget Day 2023. Photo / Marty Melville
Act leader David Seymour on Budget Day 2023. Photo / Marty Melville


Brooke van Velden

Association Education (Partnership Schools)

Associate Health (Pharmac)

Act deputy leader and candidate for Tamaki Brooke van Velden. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Act deputy leader and candidate for Tamaki Brooke van Velden. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Nicole McKee

Corrections

Hunting and Fishing

Act list MP and No 3 Nicole McKee. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Act list MP and No 3 Nicole McKee. Photo / Mark Mitchell


Karen Chhour

Children (Oranga Tamariki)

Whanau Ora

Karen Chhour, first-term Act list MP and No 6 on its list for 2023. Photo Mark Mitchell
Karen Chhour, first-term Act list MP and No 6 on its list for 2023. Photo Mark Mitchell


Todd Stephenson

ACC

Small Business

Southland-based Act candidate Todd Stephenson who is No 4 on the party list. Photo / Supplied
Southland-based Act candidate Todd Stephenson who is No 4 on the party list. Photo / Supplied


Andrew Hoggard

Agriculture, Rural Communities,

Andrew Hoggard, former Federated Farmers' president and No 5 on Act's list. Photo / Alex Burton
Andrew Hoggard, former Federated Farmers' president and No 5 on Act's list. Photo / Alex Burton

Audrey Young covers politics as the New Zealand Herald’s senior political correspondent. She was named Political Journalist of the Year at the Voyager Media Awards in 2023, 2020 and 2018.


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