She says her communications with him were "very mild".
"You ... don't stop being a human being when you come into Parliament. But I was very careful not to breach those lines around ministerial responsibility in a personal friendship."
As well as losing that ministerial job, she also lost all hope of ever leading the National Party. She says now she doesn't want the job: "It's a rotten job."
Prime Minister John Key has restored the 'Honourable' title bestowed upon former ministers but said any return as a minister would depend on a space opening up and Collins "earning her way back into Cabinet". She won't put a timeline on how long she is prepared to wait to be welcomed back. Asked if she is indisposed to sitting quietly on the back benches, she says she has done it before. When someone addressed her as "minister" out of habit, she replied "it's Judith, thanks".
If her old motto was the vengeful "give back double" her new motto appears to be "don't worry, be happy".
The sometimes trigger-happy litigant is unlikely to take any further action over claims made about her in the media and Nicky Hager's Dirty Politics book, saying while some were potentially defamatory "I don't think it's worth it".
She seems content and calmer. She is happy to be the MP for Papakura and is managing to fit in exercise - enough to have lost about 8kg. After the interview there is discussion about the bullet-hole ridden target practice silhouettes behind her door. When it is observed she is a good shot, she replies "of course I am".