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Election 2020: Chris Hipkins disputes James Shaw's version of their conversation

Audrey Young
By Audrey Young
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3 Sep, 2020 04:15 AM4 mins to read

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Green Party co-leader James Shaw at his apology press conference on Tuesday. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Green Party co-leader James Shaw at his apology press conference on Tuesday. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Education Minister Chris Hipkins has disputed claims by Greens co-leader James Shaw that Hipkins gave a "verbal sign-off" to $11.7 million going to the private Taranaki Green School for a building project.

Hipkins said today that that would "mischaracterise" their conversation about the school - which is not related to the Green Party.

The claim that Hipkins had verbally signed off the controversial grant has been revealed by RNZ in a video it obtained of the Green Party meeting held via Zoom last Friday night.

In it Shaw tells Green Party members: "Chris [Hipkins] is not one of the Budget ministers so he was not intimately involved in the decision because it wasn't going through Vote Education and it wouldn't go through Vote Education because Vote Education doesn't fund this kind of thing.

"He did say that assuming everything else being equal that as long as the funding partner is the [Taranaki District] council, which it is, that he was okay with it.

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"So he did sort of give at least a verbal sign-off to the project."

Speaking to reporters at Manukau Institute of Technology in Otara, Hipkins said he had been very public about the conversations he had had with Shaw.

"I said quite clearly to him that it was not a priority for us from an educational perspective and that if it was being considered through a different process, then that was a matter for a different process but I was not involved in that."

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Asked specifically about Shaw's claim to several hundred Green Party members that Hipkins had given verbal sign-off, Hipkins said: "No, look I think that would mis-characterise the conversation."

A spokeswoman for Shaw said that he stood by his commentary on the Zoom call to party members "and continues to feel supported by caucus and the membership".

Education Minister Chris Hipkins, watched on by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Education Minister Chris Hipkins, watched on by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Meanwhile, the New Plymouth District Council has disputed the claim made by Shaw in the Zoom call that it was a "partner" in the Green School's building project.

"The minister's statement is incorrect," the New Plymouth District Council chief executive, Craig Stevenson, said in a statement.

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"NPDC is not a funding partner for the Green School project and was not involved in the funding application.

"With any development in our district, NPDC's role is that of regulator for building and resource consents."

Shaw told Parliament this week that New Plymouth's Mayor, Neil Holdom, visited him in his Beehive office on May 18 with the school's founders and had been keen that the Government support the project.

But Stevenson said: "In terms of the letter of support, the mayor's role is to advocate for investment from Central Government and that's why he writes dozens of letters of support for multiple groups, businesses and organisations to ensure Taranaki gets its fair share of New Zealand's funding pie."

National finance spokesman Paul Goldsmith. Photo / Mark Mitchell
National finance spokesman Paul Goldsmith. Photo / Mark Mitchell

National finance spokesman Paul Goldsmith said Hipkins and Finance Minister Grant Robertson knew that funding the school was wrong but they had let it happen anyway.

"We're in the biggest economic crisis in a generation … yet this Government is more focused on sharing the political wins between Government parties than in achieving the best results with limited resources."

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The project was signed off as one of the "shovel-ready" projects eligible for part of the $3 billion infrastructure fund to help economic stimulus in the wake of Covid-19.

It was signed off by Robertson, Associate Finance Minister David Parker, New Zealand First Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones, and Shaw as Associate Finance Minister.

The decision has infuriated Green Party members because the party opposes public funding of private schools and Shaw has apologised widely and profusely for his "error of judgment" over the matter.

The Opposition has also made much of further revelations of an August 7 email from Shaw's office to the other ministers, obtained by Newshub, saying Shaw would not sign several other projects until the Green School in Taranaki was incorporated in the list.

The Opposition has said that amounts to holding the Government to ransom.

There were at least 44 delayed projects with Government funding totalling $600 million.

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