It's a pity for Jacinda Ardern they're not old enough to vote if their enthusiasm was anything to go by, and even if a number of the kids from the decile one school in Auckland's Mt Roskill weren't quite sure who the Labour leader was, but they knew she was
Barry Soper: Hoopla aside, Ardern faces toughest test in election leaders' debate
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Helen Clark did an 18-year political apprenticeship before becoming Prime Minister three years earlier and English, who was just a few years older than Ardern at the time, was no match for her in the debates that followed or in the election, crashing National to its biggest defeat, securing just 20 per cent of the vote.
The worst day of his political life, he described it at the time and it's not one he plans to repeat.
By his own admission he's changed a lot since then which is just as well.
Both the leaders have been going through their paces over the past 24 hours, keeping their campaign schedules to a minimum .
Television debates can make or break them as Labour's former leader David Cunliffe discovered, up against the telegenic John Key.
The cameras certainly like Ardern but she'll have to prove what comes out of her mouth is a match for what goes on in English's brain.