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Inside a derailed White House meeting

By Katie Rogers
New York Times·
17 Oct, 2019 01:54 AM6 mins to read

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi spoke to the press after a meeting between President Trump and congressional leadership at the White Hous. Photo / T.J. Kirkpatrick, The New York Times

Speaker Nancy Pelosi spoke to the press after a meeting between President Trump and congressional leadership at the White Hous. Photo / T.J. Kirkpatrick, The New York Times

"I hate Isis more than you do," President Trump said. "You don't know that," Speaker Nancy Pelosi replied. Here's the rest of their exchange.

You know a White House meeting has gone off the rails when the president of the United States and the speaker of the House cannot agree over the precise insult one called the other.

According to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, President Donald Trump called her a "third-grade" politician during a combative meeting with congressional leaders of both parties on Wednesday about the worsening situation in northern Syria. White House officials and Senator Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., the Senate minority leader, said Trump actually called Pelosi "third-rate."

At one particularly tense moment, Pelosi informed the president that "all roads with you lead to Putin," referring to Vladimir Putin, the Russian president.

And so, on Day 1,000 of his presidency, that is where things stand between Trump and Pelosi, who have a fraught history of derailing meetings shortly after pledging to work together, including one in January, when the president abruptly stood up, said "bye bye," and stormed out. A meeting in May basically ended before it began.

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The roughly 20-minute meeting on Wednesday (local time), the first since Democrats began an impeachment inquiry of Trump, was a new low, according to the recollections of several Democratic officials who shared details of the meeting. The White House did not dispute their accounts.

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Trump began the proceedings in the Cabinet Room by making it clear that he did not want to be there.

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"They said you wanted this meeting," Trump told the congressional leaders. "I didn't want this meeting, but I'm doing it."

Several lawmakers replied that White House officials had reached out to them in efforts to brief them on the administration's Syria policy.

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Trump then began a speech about a "nasty" letter he had sent to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, which he said was proof that he had not given the Turkish leader a green light to advance Turkish forces into Syria. Trump then directed Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California, the Republican House minority leader, to pass copies of the letter around the table.

The letter to Erdogan, which began with the sentence "Let's work out a good deal!" was dated October 9, or three days after the two leaders discussed the departure of US forces from the area.

A short time later, Pelosi told the president that the House had passed a bipartisan resolution with overwhelming Republican support that condemned his acquiescence to a Turkish assault against the Kurds, who have been crucial American allies in the fight against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS.

Schumer tried to appeal to Trump as a fellow New Yorker who lived through the September 11 terrorist attacks.

"I told the president, being from New York," Schumer said to reporters shortly after the meeting, "we're particularly aware of the problems that terrorism that an organization like ISIS can create. And the fact that someone no less than Gen. Mattis has said that ISIS has been enhanced, that the danger of Isis is so much greater, worries all of us."

At Schumer's mention of Jim Mattis — who quit last year as Trump's secretary of defence to protest the president's decision to pull American troops out of Syria — Trump began denigrating the retired four-star general's approach to combating terrorism in the Middle East.

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Mattis was "the world's most overrated general," Trump told the group. "You know why? He wasn't tough enough. I captured Isis. Mattis said it would take two years. I captured them in one month."

The conversation, several Democratic officials said, only devolved from there, and reached a fever pitch after Pelosi told the president that Russia, which has quickly stepped in to fill the void left by US troops in Syria, "has always wanted a foothold in the Middle East." It was at this point that she told Trump that all roads with him led to Putin.

At another point, Trump told Pelosi that he cared more about defeating terrorism than she did.

"I hate Isis more than you do," the president declared.

"You don't know that," the speaker replied.

What happened next is now a matter of ammunition by both the Democrats and the White House.

"You're just a politician," Trump said to Pelosi.

"Sometimes I wish you were," Pelosi shot back.

Schumer interjected, telling Trump that name-calling was not necessary.

"Is that a bad name, Chuck?" Trump asked, then turned to Pelosi. "You're not a politician, you're a third-grade politician." (Or "third-rate," depending on which politician was doing the retelling.)

Pelosi stood up to leave, but then sat back down. At this point Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the House majority leader — who later said he was "deeply offended" by the president's treatment of the speaker — said it was time to go.

"This is not useful," Hoyer said as he and Pelosi made for the door.

"Goodbye," the president responded. "We'll see you at the polls."

In the hours afterward, Democrats and the White House leapt to promote their side of the story and take shots at each other. Stephanie Grisham, the White House press secretary, said the president had been completely in control during the meeting with lawmakers.

"The president was measured, factual and decisive, while Speaker Pelosi's decision to walk out was baffling, but not surprising," Grisham said in a statement. "She had no intention of listening or contributing to an important meeting on national security issues. While Democratic leadership chose to storm out and get in front of the cameras to whine, everyone else in the meeting chose to stay in the room and work on behalf of this country.''

By early evening, Trump had posted on Twitter the official White House photos of the meeting. One showed Pelosi standing up to speak to him, which Trump characterized as an "unhinged meltdown."

Pelosi used "meltdown" to describe Trump's behavior as well.

Another photo of the session showed a close-up of Democratic lawmakers looking pained as the meeting went on.

"Do you think they like me?" Trump wrote.


Written by: Katie Rogers

Photographs by: T.J Kirkpatrick

© 2019 THE NEW YORK TIMES

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