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First US debate: Trump tells far-right group to 'stand by' in dark, bullying display

By Nicola Lamb
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30 Sep, 2020 05:13 AM6 mins to read

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Biden vs Trump: Highlights from the first presidential debate.
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President Donald Trump swung a wrecking ball through the first presidential debate with a darkly bullying and bullish display, further shaking an already deeply unsettled America.

He refused to condemn white supremacy and told a far-right group to "stand back and stand by." He went on an unhinged rant over voting by mail and would not commit to recognise the results of the November election.

It amounted to a horror show to cap a horror year, at an event that is beamed to millions around the world and is meant as a positive example of American democracy at work. Instead it seemed to highlight a wounded and limping political system.

The country is still in the grips of a pandemic that has killed almost 206,000 Americans and infected nearly 7.2 million. Economic misery still inflicts millions of unemployed. Protests over justice and policing have erupted across the land.

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Trump has been warning of potential election fraud for weeks and his party is trying to push through a Supreme Court nomination while people are actually early voting.

Trump incessantly interrupts and insults Biden as two spar in acrimonious first debate, by @agearan @PhilipRucker @AnnieLinskeyhttps://t.co/H4TT1S6MR9

— Dan Balz (@danbalz) September 30, 2020

The debate contained snatches of substance amid snowballing chaotic and aggressive exchanges between Trump and his Democratic challenger, former Vice-President Joe Biden, and moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News.

It started with a tense Trump and a smiling, mostly disciplined Biden determined to hold his own, and then rapidly went off the rails.

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Both began interrupting each other and trading jabs. After an initial discussion on the Supreme Court, Biden was muttering "will you shut up, man" and trying to appeal directly to voters straight to the camera.

I’ve followed American and international politics for quite a few years now. Trump’s debate performance used the kind of rhetoric you typically from dictators and warlords. https://t.co/tYojbSyHEF

— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) September 30, 2020

Biden's points on Trump's handling of the coronavirus and the economy - including lines such as "you are the worst president America has ever had" and "it's hard to get any word in with this clown" - helped Trump boil over.

"Frankly, you've been doing more interrupting," Wallace told Trump at one point.

Constantly trying to land blows - "there's nothing smart about you, 47 years you've done nothing" - Trump forcefully hammered Biden on law and order and accused his opponent of being trapped by the "radical left".

Biden was steady and engaged enough to adequately get through a difficult situation despite a brief period where he looked flustered. But it was really a win for Biden's calmer demeanour over Trump's off-putting shoutiness. Personality squashed policy and the messy spectacle made America's reputation a loser.

Asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to condemn white supremacists and militia groups, Pres. Trump replies, "Sure, I'm willing to do that."

"Then do it, sir," Wallace says. https://t.co/mzqJRdRhtr #Debates2020 pic.twitter.com/Cvn1zuxXKr

— ABC News (@ABC) September 30, 2020

With the election in just over a month and early voting already under way, Biden was aiming to lock in his frontrunner's advantage into the home stretch. The debate would not have helped Trump win back suburban women, a key voting group.

Biden is heading a large unwieldy coalition of voters and activists, united more by the idea of turfing Trump out than enthusiasm for his own candidacy. Polls show that both sides are energised to vote, regardless of motivation.

For his part, Trump wants to keep his most devoted fans simmering, attempt to deter would-be Biden voters, bring waverers home and find new supporters.

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Advisers to Trump and Biden each said tonight their candidates remain committed to appearing in the remaining debates. https://t.co/ZbN1A1sxoZ

— Axios (@axios) September 30, 2020

As much as thoughts of 2016 are hard to shake off, this is a different scenario.

Biden is running ahead of Hillary Clinton's results in 2016 and is a less controversial figure. Trump has suffered some slippage in support from when he won before. Views are mostly baked-in, the polls have been less volatile than four years ago.

Back in the primary season, Democrats picked Biden to do a specific job: Take the fight to Trump where the Republican was most devastating in 2016, in the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

A son of Scranton, Pennsylvania, Biden seems suited to the task. He is polling better at this stage than any US presidential candidate since Bill Clinton in 1996. He is outpacing everyone since 1976 except Clinton and Ronald Reagan in 1984. At his best he has Clinton's ability to cut through, explain and be empathetic.

Eventually, a fight for the soul of the Republican Party will play out — the populist nationalists versus liberal (in the European sense), right-of-center conservatives. Trump vs Ryan. Wouldnt it be better for the latter camp to start that fight in January vs. 4 years from now?

— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) September 30, 2020

But caution is still absolutely required. People are having to vote during a pandemic in a country where infections are widespread and on the rise. Results will be incomplete on November 4 NZT. 'What will Trump do if he loses?' is a major questionmark.

A polling trend that most Democrats intend to vote early and by mail whereas Republicans are more likely to wait for election day is already been borne out.

The Washington Post reports today that more than nine million voters have requested mail ballots so far in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maine and Iowa. Data shows 52 per cent were Democrats, 28 per cent were Republicans, and 20 per cent independents.

The Post cites internal Democratic and Republican data to report a similar trend is occurring in Ohio, Minnesota, New Hampshire and Wisconsin.

The swing states will be 3 to 4 points tighter than the national polling average. And the Electoral College system means Biden would need at least a 5 per cent edge in the popular vote to be confident of victory.

Today was only round one of a month of scheduled bruising battles.

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