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Biden and Trump's first debate: What to watch for

By Shane Goldmacher and Adam Nagourney
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29 Sep, 2020 06:51 PM10 mins to read

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The first presidential debate, which will take place in Cleveland, is one of President Trump's best chances to jostle the current dynamic in the race. Photo / Doug Mills, The New York Times

The first presidential debate, which will take place in Cleveland, is one of President Trump's best chances to jostle the current dynamic in the race. Photo / Doug Mills, The New York Times

Unfolding in a stable presidential race and a tumultuous election year, the debate may be less likely than past ones to sway voters. But it is still an opportunity for President Trump in particular.

The first debate between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden will begin at 9 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday (2pm Wednesday NZ time) and run for 90 minutes without commercial interruptions.

Chris Wallace, the anchor of Fox News Sunday, will moderate the debate. He played that role in one of the 2016 debates between Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Watch the debate live at nzherald.co.nz from 2pm.

The moderator chooses the debate topics. For today, Wallace chose Trump's and Biden's records, the Supreme Court, the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, race and violence in cities, and the integrity of the election. There will be 15 minutes to discuss each topic.

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For Trump and Biden, the debate comes with different incentives

Trump and Biden will walk onto the first presidential debate stage of the 2020 general election with a very different set of political incentives.

For Trump, it is a much-welcomed chance to shake up a race in which he is currently behind. For Biden, the debate is a risky but necessary step, a close encounter with an unorthodox rival who can and will say almost anything.

After complaining for months about Biden's "basement" strategy, the debate is Trump's biggest opportunity to reframe the election as a choice between two competing visions. The Biden campaign continues to cast the race chiefly as a referendum on Trump's failures in responding to the coronavirus pandemic.

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Two things can be true at once about the stakes of the debate.

First, the presidential race so far has been an extremely stable affair, with little disrupting Biden's consistent polling lead — not a pandemic, not record joblessness, not mass protests over policing and racism, and not an unexpected Supreme Court vacancy. A 90-minute debate will be hard-pressed to move the needle more than those factors.

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Second, the debate still represents one of Trump's best opportunities to jostle the current dynamic, his first chance to speak directly to an audience of tens of millions of Americans alongside Biden.

With that in mind, here is what to watch during the debate.

How quickly does it go off the rails?

Trump has always been a showman, and debates have been some of his biggest stages as a politician. He jawbones, interrupts and lashes out in unusually personal ways, and he generally exerts an intense gravitational pull toward whatever he wants the spectacle to be about.

He is all but certain to attack Biden. It's also possible he will go after the moderator, Wallace, whom the president has repeatedly compared unfavourably to his father, former TV correspondent Mike Wallace.

What past campaigns have shown is that the first half of the first debate often sets the tone — and the tone of news coverage.

Biden has been pretty clear that he believes that Clinton erred four years ago in her debates with Trump by getting into a back-and-forth argument about character.

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The debate is Trump's biggest opportunity to reframe the election as a choice between two competing visions. Photo / AP
The debate is Trump's biggest opportunity to reframe the election as a choice between two competing visions. Photo / AP

"She did what every other candidate probably would have done," Biden said in January. The resulting debate was an ugly spectacle and, he said, "it all went down the drain."

Biden wants to avoid that — and he has been stress-tested by advisers not to respond to Trump's obvious provocations if they are not central to his own message.

"I hope I don't get baited into getting into a brawl," Biden said this month.

One wild card is how Trump's tactics and antics will play — and how the president, who feeds off the feedback of a crowd, will respond in a debate hall without a large audience.

Biden could benefit from greatly diminished expectations

For months, Trump and his surrogates have distributed unflattering and sometimes manipulative clips of Biden pausing awkwardly, stumbling verbally or just looking lost. It has been part of a concerted campaign to insinuate — and sometimes say aloud — that Biden's mental faculties are too diminished for him to serve as president.

This is not typically how expectations-setting works.

Trump has lowered the bar so far — even demanding that Biden take some kind of drug test — that his supporters are primed to expect a blowout Tuesday. But Biden, even if he meandered onstage at times, ultimately won his party's nomination after navigating 11 primary debates.

Biden was memorably knocked off guard by the rival who would become his running mate, Senator Kamala Harris of California, when she attacked him for his opposition to busing decades ago.

Trump has repeatedly benefited in news coverage from an expectations gap of his own: Whenever he tones down his bombast — however fleetingly — some praise tends to come in for a new tone.

"Any time he utters a complete and calm sentence, people fall over themselves to call him presidential," said an exasperated Lis Smith, a Democratic strategist who helped run Pete Buttigieg's debate preparations during the 2020 primary.

Can Trump get under Biden's skin?

Will Trump successfully goad Biden into losing his temper? Or will Biden be able to avoid walking into the trap?

Democratic and Republican strategists who have gone up against Biden in debates have long identified this as a weakness, though there is more evidence of this on the campaign trail, where he has teed off on the occasional voter, than on the debate stage.

When provoked, Biden is prone to getting rattled and angry and to losing his train of thought, and he risks coming across as condescending.

Will Trump be able to goad Biden into losing his temper? Photo / AP
Will Trump be able to goad Biden into losing his temper? Photo / AP

"If Trump gets under his skin and Biden starts to do that preachy thing — 'Let me tell you what this is,'" said Mark Wallace, who helped prepare Sarah Palin for her vice presidential debate with Biden in 2008. "That just doesn't fit the time."

Trump has talked with aides about attacking Biden's family, in particular his son Hunter Biden, and about raising the unproven sexual misconduct allegations against Biden by a former aide in the Senate, Tara Reade.

For those wondering how far Trump might go down this road, it's worth taking a look at when he debated Clinton. Pressed on allegations of his own sexual misconduct — this was right after the Access Hollywood recording was released capturing him making vulgar remarks about groping women — he simply turned the spotlight to Clinton's husband.

"There's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women," he said.

The empathy gap

With more than 200,000 people in the United States dead from the coronavirus pandemic, the suffering that Biden has endured in his own life — and his ability to empathise with Americans struggling with grief now — is seen by campaign officials as one of the characteristics that most help the former vice president in this unusual year. (For those who don't know, his first wife and infant daughter died in a car crash nearly 50 years ago. His two sons survived, but one of them, Beau, died of cancer in 2015.)

How Biden demonstrates that empathy — which was such a buzzword during the Democratic convention that Republicans tried to testify to a hidden softer side of Trump the next week — will be one of the ways he tries to connect with not just the Democratic base but also critical swing voters.

Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster and focus-group guru, said Biden's empathy could prove critically important, and called him "a guy who empathises with everyone."

"The only analogy I can think of is, Joe Biden would hold a funeral for a squirrel he hit on the highway," Luntz said.

He knows firsthand. Luntz said he ran into Biden in Iowa in January, not long after the pollster had suffered a stroke, which Biden had been briefed on.

"He gave me a hug and he didn't let go," Luntz said, "and it was really nice."

Truth, lies and fact-checking

In 2016, Trump was relentless at the debates in his attacks and claims, many of them false or at least inaccurate. Clinton tried to respond by urging viewers to go look at the fact-checking feature on her website. That proved ineffective.

So how much time will Biden — or, for that matter, Wallace of Fox News — spend correcting Trump if he says things that are untrue?

Wallace said before the debate that a successful night would make him "as invisible as possible" for viewers, hardly a preview of an aggressive plan to fact-check the president.

"If I've done my job right, at the end of the night people will say, 'That was a great debate — who was the moderator?'" Wallace said on Fox News.

If Biden tries to push back every time he thinks Trump says something that is false or distorted, he might find himself spending the whole night playing on the president's turf. If he ignores him, he will no doubt face a chorus of morning-after critics wondering why he let the president get away with it.

His advisers said before the debate that Biden planned to avoid soaking up his own time trying to fact-check Trump, but some key topics — such as the Trump administration's backing of a lawsuit to overturn the entire Affordable Care Act — are more likely to elicit a factual retort.

Biden has over the years proved adept at picking his debate moments — and using a smile and a laugh to dismiss an accusation. That worked with Sarah Palin in the 2008 vice presidential debate and, to a certain extent, with Sen. Bernie Sanders in the final, two-person Democratic debate this year. Whether it works with a candidate like Trump is an entirely different question.

If there are fireworks, will it even matter?

Many voters say the debates won't matter. Only 3 per cent of voters in a recent Monmouth University poll said that the debate was "very likely" to help determine their vote, compared with 87 per cent who said it was "not likely" to affect their choice. Of course, voters also tend to say that negative ads don't work, and yet campaigns keep airing them because history shows they do.

Smith, the Democratic strategist who worked for Buttigieg, has for four years compared debating Trump to squaring up against "a chimpanzee with a machine gun": He's both dangerous and "completely unpredictable," she said. She noted that Trump was widely deemed to have lost the 2016 debates — and he won the presidency anyway.

As for the 2020 primaries, "I don't think anyone thought Joe Biden was a big winner in any of those primary debates," she said. "It didn't matter."

The fall debate season comes after months of stability in the 2020 race, despite incredible upheaval in the nation.

"Despite a global pandemic, despite an economic calamity, despite these seismic civil rights protests, nothing has changed," Smith said. "If people have lost their job, lost their ability to go outside, can't send their kids to school, then what is a one-hour televised debate of political talking points going to matter to them?"


Written by: Shane Goldmacher and Adam Nagourney
Photographs by: Doug Mills
© 2020 THE NEW YORK TIMES

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