NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Herald NOW
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
  • Herald NOW
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Politics
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Herald NOW
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / Sport / Rugby

England debacle: It's ridiculous rugby's richest nation is looking for overseas coach

By Paul Hayward
Daily Telegraph UK·
12 Nov, 2015 04:00 PM5 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌
Save

    Share this article

MANCHESTER, ENGLAND - OCTOBER 10: Stuart Lancaster, Head Coach of England looks on prior to the 2015 Rugby World Cup Pool A match between England and Uruguay at Manchester City Stadium on October 10,

MANCHESTER, ENGLAND - OCTOBER 10: Stuart Lancaster, Head Coach of England looks on prior to the 2015 Rugby World Cup Pool A match between England and Uruguay at Manchester City Stadium on October 10,

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Obeying the law of opposites, England will now hire a head coach who is everything Stuart Lancaster was not: a leader with a dagger between his teeth, and a cabinet full of trophies earned through "international experience".

This tends to happen when things go wrong. Governing bodies flip the previous policy on its head and adopt its opposite. Quiet guy last time? Hire a shouter. Promote an earnest young coach (Lancaster) from the ranks this time, scour the world for a proven "big-hitter" when Plan A collapses.

The gist of the Rugby Football Union's press conference following Lancaster's departure was that the England coach will, for the first time, be from overseas. When chief executive Ian Ritchie specified "proven international experience" for the next man in, he appeared to rule out all English coaches, since none in the club game can meet that criterion, though Shaun Edwards could cite his work with Wales.

The magnitude of this declaration cannot be overstated. Ritchie (the chief executive), Bill Beaumont (the chairman) and the RFU board are seeking an instant solution to England's problems. Yet nobody could ignore the significance of the game's richest rugby nation admitting it is highly unlikely to find a successor to Lancaster anywhere in the shires.

To fit the "international experience" requirement, the RFU would have to recall Sir Clive Woodward (incredibly unlikely), Andy Robinson, Brian Ashton or Martin Johnson (all unlikely). So the number being dialled is that of international rescue. Bookmakers immediately installed South Africa's Jake White as the favourite. Appointing White would take Ritchie and co right back to 2011, when the same name was in the frame, only for the RFU to opt for long-term development and stability in the shape of Lancaster.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

That decision, derided now, was rational at the time. It turned out badly, but belongs in the category of honest errors. Lancaster had served his apprenticeship at all England levels and surrounded himself with a young coaching team widely described as promising, until those judgments performed a somersault at this World Cup.

England left their own tournament after 16 days. Lancaster left his job 39 days after that. The hiatus lasted more than twice as long as England's participation in the most entertaining of all World Cups. Canvassing 59 people, "with extensive feedback from the players", clearly led to the obvious conclusion that Lancaster's record in big games since 2012 had not been good enough. He was judged not solely on the pool-stage exit, presumably, but also four second-place finishes in the Six Nations Championship and three wins from 15 against the Southern Hemisphere big three.

There was no need for Ritchie to go the way of Lancaster, because much of the work done under his leadership has been constructive. The hunch he backed with Lancaster turned out to be a losing bet but punishing him with dismissal would only add to the chaos. The World Cup worked brilliantly. Only the England team spoiled the show.

Although it will solve the immediate problem - fill the experience gap - hiring a coach from New Zealand, Australia or South Africa will qualify as an indignity - and point to a failure in coach development. International sport, after all, is meant to be the players, coaches and fans of Country A against the players, coaches and fans of Country B. But this notion has been shredded by expediency, and, in this case, English weakness.

Should Eddie Jones, say, take the job, then two of the three big England teams would be coached by Australians. There is nothing parochial about recognising the absurdity of such an arrangement.

Discover more

Rugby

Can't play, can't coach, can't run it

11 Nov 10:00 PM
New Zealand

Belgian family celebrate All Black WWI hero

11 Nov 09:21 PM
Sport|rugby

No to England job

11 Nov 10:57 PM
New Zealand

Dan's surprise for rugby juniors

11 Nov 11:28 PM

The danger is that Lancaster will be used as a symbol to exclude the possibility of a bright English club coach - Rob Baxter or Dean Ryan, say - ever being allowed near the top job. It simply does not follow that because Lancaster fell short, all the others would too. The World Cup fiasco should not be used as a stick to beat all English coaches.

But for now "international experience" is the fashionable corrective to the mistakes made in England's campaign. In retrospect the warning signs were there when Lancaster seemed so tortured by the process of having to pick his final World Cup squad. That prevarication turned to a lack of clarity and consistency in the pool itself, with the rewriting of England's game plan against Wales being the worst example.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Some of these players have a lot to answer for. For starters many froze on the biggest stage, which will worry the next coach; and as Mike Brown pointed out "trust" has since been destroyed by anonymous squealing and petty point scoring. The saddest part for Lancaster might be that he tried to build a team of giants able to take responsibility and honour the shirt, on and off the field. Instead, some have made themselves look quite small.

Lancaster thought he could eradicate the arrogance and self indulgence of 2011. In 2015 it returned in a different form. The next coach will need a clever plan to cure it.

On one level you would call it a glorious job for any coach, English or otherwise. On another, you would warn the new man it will not be easy money.

Save

    Share this article

Latest from Rugby

Super Rugby

Moana Pasifika’s owners 'strongly reject' misuse of public funding claims amid probe

28 Jun 04:55 AM
Rugby

'Disgusting': Details emerge over referee abuse leading to rugby postponement

27 Jun 03:04 AM
Premium
Opinion

Lions 2005: Media mistakes of the 'car crash' tour

27 Jun 01:58 AM

Kaibosh gets a clean-energy boost in the fight against food waste

sponsored
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Latest from Rugby

Moana Pasifika’s owners 'strongly reject' misuse of public funding claims amid probe

Moana Pasifika’s owners 'strongly reject' misuse of public funding claims amid probe

28 Jun 04:55 AM

An independent review will look at 'serious' allegations of misusing taxpayer funds.

'Disgusting': Details emerge over referee abuse leading to rugby postponement

'Disgusting': Details emerge over referee abuse leading to rugby postponement

27 Jun 03:04 AM
Premium
Lions 2005: Media mistakes of the 'car crash' tour

Lions 2005: Media mistakes of the 'car crash' tour

27 Jun 01:58 AM
'So much life in me': Hurricanes player's partner has 'rare and aggressive' cancer

'So much life in me': Hurricanes player's partner has 'rare and aggressive' cancer

27 Jun 12:25 AM
Engage and explore one of the most remote places on Earth in comfort and style
sponsored

Engage and explore one of the most remote places on Earth in comfort and style

NZ Herald
  • About NZ Herald
  • Meet the journalists
  • Newsletters
  • Classifieds
  • Help & support
  • Contact us
  • House rules
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of use
  • Competition terms & conditions
  • Our use of AI
Subscriber Services
  • NZ Herald e-editions
  • Daily puzzles & quizzes
  • Manage your digital subscription
  • Manage your print subscription
  • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
  • Subscribe to Herald Premium
  • Gift a subscription
  • Subscriber FAQs
  • Subscription terms & conditions
  • Promotions and subscriber benefits
NZME Network
  • The New Zealand Herald
  • The Northland Age
  • The Northern Advocate
  • Waikato Herald
  • Bay of Plenty Times
  • Rotorua Daily Post
  • Hawke's Bay Today
  • Whanganui Chronicle
  • Viva
  • NZ Listener
  • Newstalk ZB
  • BusinessDesk
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • iHeart Radio
  • Restaurant Hub
NZME
  • About NZME
  • NZME careers
  • Advertise with NZME
  • Digital self-service advertising
  • Book your classified ad
  • Photo sales
  • NZME Events
  • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
TOP