Martin agreed, offering an explanation of why this might be the case.
"We always go, 'They lost a lot of senior players including Richie McCaw and Dan Carter.' Maybe that's [humility] what they're lacking now."
Their case revolved around comments made by Sam Cane and Brodie Retallick, who said the Wallabies niggle in Wellington's Bledisloe test showed the Australians weren't focused on footy and that the All Blacks saw that as a big weakness.
Once the clip of Retallick and Cane played, Martin came back on air saying, "Aw please. Have they ever heard of Dane Coles and Franks? The niggle, we were just trying to front up for a change."
Kafer then called into question Steve Hansen's character, saying he had lost an element of respect.
"Some questions marks have been raised around Steve Hansen and some of the things he's made public," Kafer said.
"His big barb to Michael Cheika during the England series about Eddie Jones and how Chieks lost the battle, he didn't need to come out and say that."