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Brad
Perhaps New Zealanders are starting to wake up to the fact that there are much better and more exciting sports out there to watch. It may even be a backlash against the endless "rugby brainwashing" that goes on in this country, where rugby is shoved down everyones throat like bad-tasting medicine. Personally I'm glad it's starting to lose viewers, hopefully now the NZ media will start to show us a bit more coverage of other sports in which under-appreciated kiwi sportsmen and women are doing well, instead of every "sports news" program being 90 per cent rugby.
Nick
I played rugby thru primary, intermediate, college and some club. Now I find rugby to be the most boring game on this planet! Why, because of the stop start nature of the game. The biggest time waster is the scrums! Potential for serious injuries is high, uses up valuable playing time, rules interpreted differently by refs! Why can't they scrummage similar to league. It's safe, quick and doesn't collapse!
Sorry but rugby is an overrated game hence the thousands of fleeing viewers!
P Hughes
I too have gone off rugby due to it being so hard to see what's going on when the play is at the other end of the field. I've been to Eden Park on many occasions but lately I have been watching it on the TV. It's easier to follow what's going on there. I still love rugby though. Soccer on the other hand is all go and one can see the ball and what's developing all the time. Maybe a few rule changes are in order?
Toby
There was always going to come a point where the NZRFU and Sky attempted to overcapitalise on NZers preferred TV sport and it looks like they've managed to find it. I agree; quality not quantity is the key here. Besides which the only thing the Super 14 has done is let the Aussies and Saffas know how good our players are before the Tri-Nations (which is basically a best-of-Super 14 right?) and for us was a crutch to replace our lack of confidence in the fact that our provincal game was world class. I know there's too much money involved, as we're now in a situation where a media company is attempting to dictate when we can and can't play our best players (Euro club rugby/league anyone?), but if the NZRFU had the courage to walk away from the Super 14 and refocus on the NPC as the top competition it would go some way to restoring the grass-roots passion in the sport. Of course, the top players and administrators might have to take a bit of a pay cut back to something a bit more realistic, but their pay packets presently are getting out of control anyway.
Gillian
It's boring. As most have already said, the rules are so anal that you're mostly watching them either kick the ball out or standing around hugging each other. Also, the players are too commercial, they're not the "traditional rugby players" that we used to have. The old boys used to go out and have a run around and try to smash anyone with the ball. After that, have a few bevies in the shower rooms while cleaning up then hitting the beer til the wee hours. Eating steak and vege during the week. The new guys, (as much as I like to look at them) are "metrosexual" nancy boys! Although I guess it doesn't help when you've got stupid rules.
Eugene Beneke
I think Rugby has been a victim of a gradual change in society's perception as a whole. People have started realising that there is a lot more to life than the staunch rugby culture that has been part of New Zealand culture for such a long time. In saying this, they're not necessarily losing interest in the National game, but are just becoming less expressive towards it. For example, instead of staying at home and watching it on T.V, people have obtained other hobbies/interests/activities to substitute this time, but the topic of conversation will still generally be on Rugby, regardless of the surroundings. All in all, there is still a lot of interest in Rugby, and there always will be. As a current rugby player, I think the game is still in good shape and still very much enjoy playing and watching it. But for me, and I think for a number of other people, there are a number of other interests which we are now devoting our time to in this hectic world we live in.
Ray Stark
The Refs are the problem. They have too much say in the wrong areas. Look at last weeks Blues match Ruined by the ref and touch judges. A real turn off. sick and tired of over zealous refs. Look at their (the refs) body language and it will tell you a few things.
Andrew
Sorry to repeat the same views but the whole game is just tedious. Do Tew and the rest of the countless hangers-on in at the Wellington HQ realise? Super 14 is totally contrived nonsense. Professional fouls rife - last weekend any time the Highlanders looked like doing anything exciting (not often) the Crusaders blatantly cheated or hung offside and were either not penalised at all or told not to do it again. Perpetrators should be sent off immediately. A total joke and it is only one of the factors ruining the game. I hardly know anyone who goes to a game now. We should allow the ABs to play overseas and still select them otherwise we will only have a B team turning out from NZ based players shortly. Why play Super 14 when you can earn a fortune in UK and Europe?
Michael
So boring, I've given up watching rugby and started to watch rugby league. It's so much faster, their players are a lot fitter and you get to see the rugby ball. Their referees are 100 times better. Love their scrums. Rugby is dead in this house.
Sue
It's quite simple: there are too many teams now and just too much rugby. The promoters got too greedy and are now suffering for it.
Kev. S
The repetitive nature of the competition has removed some of the mystic of the game and made it quite boring. Play bi-annually and tour on the alternate years. The over-powering control of the matches by the refs mean that players play the rules to their maximum while awaiting for instruction from the ref. Example: Refs tell players what they cannot do instead of penalising them forthwith, the players will soon stop those deliberate infringements which lead to stop start affairs and adjust to the rules. Bring back rucking and passing of the ball off the ground, speed the continuity of the game up. The ruck and maul phase of the game has as a consequence become confusing to all, I've seen more organised chaos at a kindergarden lolly scramble. The scrum set revision is a joke, why introduce a change that adds no value whatsoever to safety or clarity of play. All this from an absolute diehard rugby supporter, how would anyone not close to the game interpret this game and or be attracted to it really does worry and disappoint me.
Mat
The most common theory here seems to be that we have too much rugby with the same old teams. That we need some variety to renew interest - a Pacific Island team or the Argies maybe. Definitely valid points, but they do raise another question worth pondering - if these are the reasons why ratings have dropped so much for rugby, how has the NRL managed to grow so successfully in recent times? The NRL premiership runs for 26 rounds plus finals with up to 8 games screened each week. In terms of volume, there's far more league being played than Super rugby. And the Titans this year are the first new team to be admitted to the comp since the Warriors in 95 (unless you count the Super League debacle). Obviously we're comparing two different markets - but its still interesting to see how a competition that runs longer than Super 14, is based in arguably a more competitive market to begin with, and with primarily the same teams playing over the last 10 years, can be enjoying such strong growth. Hard core leaguies have always maintained that the free flow nature of league makes it a more attractive spectacle. And whereas league administrators are focusing on simplifying their game to add to the attraction (the new obstruction rule interpretation is a prime example), the head in the sand lawmakers at the IRB seem intent on reducing our beloved sport to a series of in game refereeing conferences. The scrum engagement disaster and the ongoing tackle ball lottery continue to blight even the most entertaining games of rugby. There seems little doubt, that when all the analysis is complete and viewing numbers and ratings are finalised for this years competition, News Ltd will be asking some hard questions. And fair enough - after all, when you pay for something, you're entitled to get upset if you don't get it. But when the finger pointing starts, it may be worth pointing a few north of the equator.
Iain MacMillan
I did not mind it at all and probably watched more games this year than last year including games that did not involve New Zealand teams. This was a great opportunity to see how the next generation of super stars handle the pressure. It's been very interesting to see how different coaches and franchises have dealt without their franchise players. New Zealand has such a huge depth of high quality players, that taking out 22 of the top end players helped handicap the competition and make it more interesting - well at least re the South African teams, don't ask me to explain what happened to the ozzie teams... Let's face reality, unless there are some substantive changes to how elite players are paid we will be watching more and more games without the top players who will be mercenary hires in Europe and England, that's not a judgment call - it may be reality, so perhaps this is just a precursor of things to come? Either way the pre "strength and conditioning" returning players has made the S14 competition much more open and it was far less predictable and at the end of the day unless you are a die hard fan of one of the UK/European teams you've got to say this is still some of the most exciting rugby being played outside of test matches.
Andrew Atkin
The reason why I don't watch rugby is because of the lack of "innocence" that I see on most of the players faces. The whole scene just gives off an unpleasant and even depressing feeling for me. Maybe we should get the players to wear comprehensive pads and impose weight restrictions etc, so it attracts maybe better-natured sportsman (like soccer)? It really does come off to me as a bit of a thugs game - I mean hell, remember the throat-cutting move? That's just sad!
Phil
Starts too early in the year and overlaps with cricket season. It's a winter game - I won't watch rugby in February as a matter of principle. Too many games, too large a competition with too many mediocre teams. Same team wins every year.
Craig f
35 weeks of rugby? Far too much. Growing up in Christchurch, I used to watch in anticipation as the rugby and soccer goal posts used to be erected in Hagley park the very second the month of March finished. Conversely, on television there was this 'dead' period of sports coverage where the cricket had ended and the rugger season about to begin. This 'dead' period did wonders for the game (rugby): it built up anticipation, it created dialogue between people, and it increased the perceived value of the game and the competition once things kicked off. I now look upon rugby as also suffering from the Obesity Epidemic. Too much of a good thing inevitably spoils it. The Rugby Union now run a product that is rapidly nearing its used-by-date. Rugby 2.0 is required. A bit of advice though, stay away from consultants, and follow your heart. You know rugby is ill, but it'll take a brave person within the current crop to fix it. I don't believe that that person exists.
Scott
The Super 14 lacks the provincial tribalism of the Air New Zealand Cup. Why would anyone from the provinces want to support a Super 14 franchise woefully under represented by players from their area? Spread the players around and spark more interest.
Paul O
To me the problem lies with this fascination of trying to tweak the rules of the game, this stupid new scrum law being a prime example. Allied to that the total inconsistency of the referees, and I'm not talking between different refs, I saw a game a few weeks back where one of the South African refs had what I thought was a good game. Next game I saw with him in he was appalling. Players can get cited after the game, how about the refs?
Joseph
The problem is the rules have been changed to suit teams like South Africa who have bigger stronger forwards and set play backs.
Roy
Not everyone can afford SKY and not people can get Prime. Thats already one major issue. Prime only shows 1 game a week and usually the game is delayed by a good hour if your lucky, so by the time the game starts most already know what the final score is. Coverage of the game needs to be televised on a major TV channel such as TV3 or TVNZ. So glad that free TV has the rights to show the World Cup.
John Arts
I have been turned off Super 14 for 2 reasons: 1. It starts in mid summer and frankly while I would watch the All Blacks in summer not any other form. 2. There are too many teams. Super 10 was the best. 3. The rules have made rugby too predictable and too boring. Yes the new scrum rules are a farce but we need rules that encourage more forwards to the breakdown returning the game to a largely back on back and forward on forward competition. How about returning to a no hands at all in the contact area demanding a large group of forwards contest tackle ball?
Murray
Sky TV is too expensive. They need to be more realistic in their pricing structure - why does Sky Sport cost so much - it doesn't cost them any more to transmit it than any other channel. Other non-sport channels are too repetitive. PrimeTV only shows one game per week, and not everyone can get Prime Sky Commentary is rubbish. Need to get rid of the moron factor and get some quality commentary. Mexted, Wilson etc are an embarrassment to NZ. Scrum/Ruck/ rules and incompetent refereeing spoiling the game.
Tony
Because it is world cup year,the super 14 doesn't rate as well as it does outside of world cup year. Fans know the super 14 result will be irrelevant and soon be forgotten come WC kick-off! The rugby has been quite good but as a staunch follower, I also don't mind missing the odd game because the most important thing in rugby this year is the winning WC.
Todd
I simply don't care to watch Australian and South African teams. Have 3 local derby's and match the best teams against each other I say. This way we get domestic rivalry week on week, we get footy timed to suit the local market and then when we watch intercountry competition it's the best of the best being matched against each other.
Kevan Humphries
There's just way too much rugby on now, it seems to go for pretty much the entire year. I used to be a really big fan of rugby and watch a lot of games. But now with the amount of games on, I just can't be bothered. The style of play is a bit like touch rugby now to, I just don't find it as appealing as I used to. Doesn't help that players move between teams either, I know they have to with professionalism, but I find there is no real connection to any team, hence I don't support any team, so can't really be bothered watching a game that I really have no interest in the result. But the NPC is different, at least it's mostly made up of players from that province, last years NPC was great. I'd go to see my team, North Harbour play, but unless I was given free tickets, I wouldn't go and watch the Blues play, actually I've been offered free tickets to go and see them a few times, but turned them down, as it's just not appealing anymore.
Neil Mosley
Why are viewers turning off rugby? Probably because the TV coverage incessantly revolves around the Auckland team, ignoring the other 4 Kiwi franchises. The Auckland based commentators (the worst being John Drake who appears not to even know the names of any non-Auckland players) and their ridiculously parochial commentary and "talking up" of any player from north of the Bombay Hills. It is little wonder that all fans outside Auckland feel dispossessed when Sky and TVNZ completely ignore them and their teams. I guess the fall off of viewers is mainly outside Auckland.
John Albert
I think we are getting rugbyied out. There is just too much of it
Ollie
Its simple for me! There is just way too much of it.
Andrew
The biggest problem with rugby now is the ball. There is nothing more boring than watching a penalty and drop goal kick fest. People have talked about how good that kick by the guy from the sharks was, if you are kicking 55metres on a drop goal there is something gone wrong. Bring back the days when you were good to kick 30 metres and less in the rain. If rugby keeps changing the ball to allow increasingly long range kicks the skill and flair we all enjoy will be gone and it will turn in to a game as boring as soccer.
Grant Vinten
Why is rugby so boring, three words. Crouch, touch.................engage. Do me a favour.
George
One word--- Overdose! Too much, too long, too expensive, too predictable. S14 is killing the golden goose.
Anthony
Too much restarts. At any point really it could be a lineout it could be a 22 optional or a scrum that it usually takes 10times before we get it right. Not enough continuity as well. Too much drop ball, too much field position and simply not enough brilliance. Its on the odd occasion that a team or a individual will pull something out of nothing other than that its been a dull season at best.
Grant H
Just too much rugby on at the moment, we have Super 14, into the NPC then into the World Cup. While I will watch the Rugby World cup, I dont really care about the other games.
Colin Vincent
Not only is there rugby overkill with Super 14 and NPC competitions (the run up to the World Cup is also part of the scenario) the game is becoming killed by over-complicated rules. Another factor is the inability of the referees and linesmen to act in concert for the good of the game. I have just handed back my two SKY decoders after many years of viewing. When I joined SKY one of the attractions was advertisement-free television. That is no longer the case. In fact, more and more ads are being screened.
David Clee
Keeping the ABs out of the early games wrecked my ability to see S14 as a valid competition so I've quit watching for the season. If I don't find something more interesting I'll probably be back next year.
Rosie
I thought the reason I was no longer racing home to watch the rugby on Fridays was I was getting old, and losing interest. No, it seems half the nation feels the same and it is not just me being middle aged!!!
Something that we can't get enough of, is much more precious. Must be overkill. What a relief! And it helps when your team is half decent too. Go the Blues. Last year I had to revert to my roots and support the Chiefs.
Kay
We were a fanatical rugby watching family decades ago, even though none of us played. Since rugby disappeared live off free to air TV we rarely watch it. Our children are not the rugby fans we were.
Mike
I was an avid watcher of S14 and NPC, but barely watch a game nowadays. Why? There's so much rugby, it's impossible to get excited about it. Players and viewers both get fatigued by too much rugby. Skill levels and interest levels drop respectively. So why does Sky do it? Because they have us all on contracts for multiple channels, and as long as they fill up their schedule and we keep paying - to watch a bit of rugby here, and a bit of Discovery there etc etc, they'll keep making money. To prove it, note that the same principle applies to the other channels; e.g, tons of documentaries on the History Channel, but all with the same WW2 footage, and simply and cheaply re-packaged.
ChrisB
Rugby is boring at the best of times. Give me football any day of the week!
Riki
Its boring, with over zealous refs, with different ways of applying the rules. So frustrating. The players are made up to be better than they are. How can a player on 65k+ who has everything laid on for him, still cant throw a ball in straight. my opinion most players are more concerned on how good they look Frustrating commentators, who state the obvious.The pattern of games is Mickey Mouse, props on the wing etc. I have always played and watched rugby all my life, but over the years my passion for the game has diminished to where, now I only catch up with the score on TV, I cant be bothered sitting down watching a whole game, apart from the Crusaders who I believe are heads and shoulders above any other team in the comp. They play to a pattern and have discipline. And Im a Hurricanes supporter.
David (Northern Queensland)
Its not entertaining. Too much "down time"(kicking for touch, lineouts, scrums, rucks, mauls) and the players ball skils are nowhere near those playing NRL.
Mark Turney
If I cannot understand the rules how can I and my son (who loves rugby) relate to the game, tone down refs around the tackle zone. Rucking is a proven rule that works! and keeps the game simple. Rugby at 2.30pm on a Saturday afternoon in the sun during Winter is a far better family proposal than 7.35pm on a cold Winter evening. (this applies everywhere in NZ). I never played league but I can understand the rules - therefore we all (family) can relate to the game.
Go The Blacks...
Rewi Kemp
Boring, repetitive,run by Corporates, for Corporates,the players get ground down,the grass roots are suckers who do all the ground work for love, and then get squeezed to fatten rich purses.
Charlie Harrison
Rugby union has always been boring to watch. Fortunately, in NZ it has a complete monopoly in our secondary school system and is supported by a sycophantic media. Perhaps our sports people are growing in their realization of the fact that it is an outmoded game reminiscent of how Rugby league was played in the 1950s.
Peter
The NZRU have taken premium product and both diluted and devaluated it so predictably the public are losing interest. You just can't get into Rugby in February, its still summer. There are too many teams in the Super competition, some of them woeful. All blacks play the same old teams every year, the tri nations and the whistle stop northern tour in November. National provisional rugby suffers because is get squeezed for time by Super Rugby and the All Black seasons. I believe people would prefer to see fewer but higher quality games. They also want some variety from year to year to inject more interest in the product, especially from the All Blacks. The world cup and Lions tour being good examples, people get into these because the events are not held every year and are therefore special.
Billy
Too much rugby and the game is being slowed down by the laws. If the referee is not going to penalise the slowing down of the ball let them ruck the ball and go back to the old scrum laws.
Taffy
I have watched rugby most of my life. Super twelve was good. It was the reason I bought into Sky TV.Right now there are far to many games on and for some reason the scores are so predictable. I wonder why Sky think we as a NZ viewing public really want to watch Sharks V Lions etc. I have been thinking for sometime about ditching Sky TV altogether even the movie channels don't really come up to scratch.
Steve McQuoid
Till about 4 years ago I watched nothing but Rugby. I now watch Rugby League because the game flows. Other than penalty kicks and conversions the ball is always in play. While the rugby purists may enjoy watching scrums constantly being re-set, uncompetitive lineouts and the constant kicking for touch, I find it absolutely boring! Although I watch All Black test matches I would rarely watch a game where the ball is not in play for much more than 50 per cent of the allocated 80 minutes because players don't understand the constant rule changes or the referees have their own interpretations! League Forever!
Samoan Kiwi
Once upon a time I could name every member of the Otago team. Jeff Wilson, Tony Brown, John Timu, Stephen Bachop, Mark Ellis, David Latta etc...Now i cant even name the mascot. I dont have any ownership of the team because players switch teams as many times as they switch socks. The players these days will not spill blood for their jerseys, I would rather watch a club game.
Natalie Garcia
To be honest Mr O'Briens statement that Super 14 is a "valuable subscription tool" is correct in my case. I signed up purely for the Super 14, even though you have to sign up for a minimum 12 month period, thinking it would be worth it. I found out in the first few weeks that it wasn't, and I have regretted my decision to sign up ever since, but I'm stuck now. The first game times were inconvenient and once I'd missed those first few important games I lost the momentum and wasn't interested any more. It also had a lot to do with the fact that I was peeved at Sky though and didn't watch out of some sort of rebellion ;-) Their programing is the pits, I'm sick of seeing the same 5 year old movies over and over and over and over and over and over again. The only redeeming feature is the live coverage of Football.
Bert
I love how they actually count the phases in rugby, that's how boring the game is, you have to count the phases of play, can you spell excitement? 10 phases! Woohoo yet they haven't gone anywhere on the field. And someone please tell me the reason why a drop goal is worth 3 points?
John
At the end of the world cup cricket will be over for another year. About now is the time I start to think about watching rugby.
Tim Drown
I havent watched one super 14 game this year as I find there is too much rugby on TV and the quality is poor. I will watch later when the All Blacks are playing international games but wont be watching on sky as I had sky cut off cos of all the repeats and bad service.
Jerry
One-eyed commentators, who blame the ref when their team loses and laugh if their team get away with transgressions, do not make for great TV. Only in NZ is it done this painfully.
Peter Stringer
Like the Air NZ cup my interest is centred on watching my team, on this occasion that's the chiefs and I have little in watching over teams. I might watch the major game of the week as well but that's all. Perhaps others have the same idea and maybe that's why the numbers are down. As for the standard of play yes its far from great but its still a much better spectacle then it was decades ago and its certainly then boring one dimensional league.
C Sibley
The top players are not playing who would watch a sport when the best players are absent.
Kelly Harris
The penalties should be worth only two outside the twenty two. This would encourage real rugby that original created the great game. Teams would play to win still while not boring spectators, by scoring tries. Penalities outside 22 to only 2 would bring viewers and spectators back. This would create and encourage more open rugby. Any club, provincial or international teams could win even if they're underdogs. It would remove the pressure of controversial refereeing, some referees apply the rules differently. Rugby might become a more prestigious than soccer, it would grow for sure! - There are numerous positives for the game and no negatives I think? If the NZRFU applied this rule changed? And open up the Super 14 comp with 2 Argentina teams in a reformatted two tier Super 16 Rugby. With two groups of 8, and return the automatic relegation between 8th and 9th and 1 promotional set of 2/3 games between 7th and 10th! This would definitely invite spectators viewers back!
Hone
Possible reasons. Media build up profile of the reconditioning ABs, so less stars less viewers. Faster game than in the past aided by replacements cuts down space, more errors , more defensive therefore boring. Apart from Sharks , non NZ teams are pathetic. Warriors winning and other league games exciting and provide more on field action. When a rugby player is injured on the field the play stops while he is attended to. In league he moves or moved to the sideline and play continues. Viewer gets more action for his her dollar.
Darren Ormsby
You guys have been lucky. I've been living in Sydney for the past 18 years - have you seen the state of rugby in OZ? Super 12/14 has ruined NZ Rugby. NZ doesn't need to help the Wannabees & South Africans beat us at World Cup time. What the NZRFU should do is pull out of Super Rugby and get back to the roots of the game..the NPC & club rugby. Ever since super rugby was introduced, all it has done is keep the rest of the world up with the All Blacks. NZ rugby can & will survive without Oz & SA. As to the rules of the game. Club rugby in Sydney are trialling the 'new' stellenbosch rules and I must say, the game is alot faster. These should have been introduced at Super level this year. Finally, the only team I can see beating the all Blacks at the World Cup - is themselves. Go the AB's.
Mark V
Super rugby is now boring. You can pick the same teams to win it each year. Also there are way too many games played at night. Gone are the glory days of seeing your team playing on a Saturday afternoon. I still watch my video of The Blues Story after they won the first Super Final back in 96. Plus the scrums. Everytime a scrum packs down I have enough time to read War and Peace or watch all 258 episodes of MASH. And what is with all these "trainers" on field handing out drink bottles? When there is 10 minutes to go, every stoppage we have some player pretending to be injured so that his team can catch their breath. Oh, and another thing, watching a game of cricket at Eden park one week then a rugby match on the same field a week later just doesn't make sense. Rugby starts way to early. What next, we'll have a Boxing Day test match between the AB's and Australia? PS Go the Blues.
Marguerite Keir
Simply put, there is far too much rugby in the year. Provincial rugby used to be interesting but it doesn't really get a look in. Unfortunately, netball looks set to go the same way with the new format next year. Not the same as building NZers into great players of whatever code.
Fili, Sydney
I have read far too many negatives about the scrum laws that I can't agree more with all of them. The messy prolonged crouch, touch, pause and engage instructions is so ridiculous that they might as well add "talk" and "have a coffee while you're at it". It is that frustrating and obviously a reason why alot of viewers and rugby-mad supporters are preferring to find other interests than watching any game, like building a deck of cards, play with matchbox toy cars, or better yet ... play real tiddly winks! And if the officials ain't bad enough, what about the halfbacks who have the tendency of forever slow-mo' or non-feeds yet they'd rather prepare to toss the ball to the No.8 instead, hoping to have achieved a penalty. Do they realise how difficult and energy-sapping - not to mention life-threatening - it is for the entire front row to 're-engage' over and over? The game is getting too confusing by the minute Add the crazy kick-a-thons and the 22m "mark!" rule, they gotta' go. Unfortunately, unless they fix this up asap and at least try and speed up the game, the World Cup is destined to be an embarrassment.
Alan Rutherford
Super 14 has become boring. Every game appears to have the same attacks and set pieces. There is no individuality about any of the teams. When watching a rugby match of twenty years ago the difference is starling and exciting to watch, which is one thing that modern rugby is not.
Richard Hooper
Started too early. It's not a summer sport for me.
Anita
If you dilute the competition and increase the matches then its naturally going to loose its appeal. Ive lost my appetite for watching a watered down completion.
Chaye D
Rugby - 80 minutes a game - 15 minutes of footy. League - 80 minutes a game - 70 minutes of footy. Example sure the League scrums is nothing more than a reset of play and a chance for the backs to go 1 on 1 but by the
