NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Herald NOW
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
  • Herald NOW
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Politics
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Herald NOW
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / New Zealand

Thomas Coughlan: National knows something needs to change - the question is what

Thomas Coughlan
By Thomas Coughlan
Political Editor·NZ Herald·
16 Sep, 2021 06:00 AM5 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌

Subscriber benefit

The ability to gift paywall-free articles is a subscriber only benefit. See more offers by clicking the button below.

Already a subscriber?  Sign in here
Save

    Share this article

    Reminder, this is a Premium article and requires a subscription to read.

Focus: Collins denies paranoia allegations, hits back at former staffer
Judith Collins talks comments made by her former chief press secretary Janet Wilson. Video / Mark Mitchell ...
Video Player is loading.
Current Time 0:00
/
Duration 0:00
Loaded: 0%
0:00
Stream Type LIVE
Remaining Time -0:00
 
1x
    • Chapters
    • descriptions off, selected
    • captions settings, opens captions settings dialog
    • captions off, selected

      This is a modal window.

      Beginning of dialog window. Escape will cancel and close the window.

      Text
      Text Background
      Caption Area Background
      Font Size
      Text Edge Style
      Font Family

      End of dialog window.

      This is a modal window. This modal can be closed by pressing the Escape key or activating the close button.

      20 arrests and $1.5m assets seized from Greazy Dogs gang

      UP NEXT:

      Autoplay in
      2
      Disable Autoplay
      Cancel Video
      Judith Collins talks comments made by her former chief press secretary Janet Wilson. Video / Mark Mitchell
      NOW PLAYING • Focus: Collins denies paranoia allegations, hits back at former staffer
      Judith Collins talks comments made by her former chief press secretary Janet Wilson. Video / Mark Mitchell ...
      Thomas Coughlan
      Opinion by Thomas Coughlan
      Thomas Coughlan, Political Editor at the New Zealand Herald, loves applying a political lens to people's stories and explaining the way things like transport and finance touch our lives.
      Learn more

      ANALYSIS:

      National MPs are nearly united that the dual polls published on Wednesday were bad news for the party, but they are still uncertain whether changes need to be made to boost poor polling.

      The Herald spoke to a number of MPs about the poll result, none of whom would be named.

      Some MPs are actively considering whether a change at the top is needed, probably swapping Collins for former leader Simon Bridges. However, it is not clear when that challenge will come, or if the latest poll has done anything to hasten the demise of leader Judith Collins.

      The worst of the two polls was from National's own pollster, Curia. The poll, conducted for the Taxpayers' Union, saw National's party vote support fall to just 21.2 per cent, with Act not far behind on 14.9 per cent.

      Make a beeline for the Beehive

      Get weekly politics headlines with commentary from our political experts straight to your inbox.
      Please email me competitions, offers and other updates. You can stop these at any time.
      By signing up for this newsletter, you agree to NZME’s Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.
      Advertisement
      Advertise with NZME.

      Read More

      • Covid 19 coronavirus Delta outbreak: Middlemore Hospital case a 'problem'; unexpected cases cou...
      • Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Another Middlemore Hospital patient tests positive for virus; attended...
      • Covid 19 coronavirus Delta outbreak: Auckland DHB getting 600 visitors daily, alleged sex with ...
      • Covid 19 coronavirus Delta outbreak: NZ to have vaccine passport by Christmas - NZ Herald
      • Covid 19 coronavirus Delta outbreak: More locations of interest in Auckland released - NZ Heral...
      • Covid 19 coronavirus Delta outbreak: Auckland now the elimination frontline - NZ Herald

      The poll had Labour on 45.9 per cent with the Greens on 9.6. The terrible performance - which put National marginally above its worst ever election result of 20.93 per cent in 2002.

      But many MPs have written off the most recent poll as an aberration - a product of a difficult lockdown, when polling is always unkind to the Opposition.

      The MPs say experience from last year shows the Government gets wall-to-wall coverage during a lockdown, while the opposition gets very little attention. Another take from MPs was to cast doubt on the poll itself.

      Advertisement
      Advertise with NZME.
      National leader Judith Collins shortly after winning the leadership. Photo / Mark Mitchell
      National leader Judith Collins shortly after winning the leadership. Photo / Mark Mitchell

      Curia historically polls for the National Party, but National's difficult financial situation means that the party is commissioning fewer polls. One person suggested that with Curia polling less, it was more difficult to rely on the accuracy of any single poll number.

      While some wrote the poll off as an aberration, others felt that it was "obviously bad" and that something needed to change. But there's less unity about what needed to change.

      There is some agitation for a change of leader - and many MPs acknowledge that this is a prospect.

      One thinks the Curia poll will have focused MPs' minds around the need for change - but they concede the focusing may take a while as MPs slowly come to terms with the fact this may not be an isolated number.

      It is looking likely that at least one of the two major public polls, 1 News-Colmar Brunton or Newshub-Reid Research will publish new numbers soon - this could cement the Curia poll as evidence of a trend, rather than an aberration.

      But this means that MPs are not expecting fireworks from at the party's next caucus meeting, scheduled for next Tuesday morning. The focusing of minds could take some time; Parliamentary sitting resumes next week and will last until September 30, but with Auckland's Covid future uncertain, it might be mid-October before National's full caucus could properly meet.

      There is a sense, even among those agitating for change, that the party has learned a lesson from the Bridges-Muller-Collins transition, which is not to move too quickly on the back of a few bad poll results, and that each leadership change has a transaction cost.

      One thing the poll highlighted was how unpopular the party had become with women. Only 16.1 per cent of women backed National. The party knows this needs to be remedied but it isn't sure how.

      Advertisement
      Advertise with NZME.

      One idea is to change the party's messaging so that it resonates more with what National thinks women voters care about.

      Simon Bridges is emerging as the most likely challenger Photo / Jason Walls
      Simon Bridges is emerging as the most likely challenger Photo / Jason Walls

      If the big issue of the day is Covid, the party needs to talk about the effects of Covid on households, education, and the debt burden borne by future generations. The Covid story has mainly been around protecting people's lives and using the welfare system to protect their livelihoods - areas where Labour traditionally has the upper hand. The trick, according to some MPs, is to talk about the parts of the pandemic that relate to areas where National is stronger.

      There is a tension between two different strategies. Some point to the British Labour leader Clement Attlee's famous defeat of Winston Churchill as World War II was coming to an end. Attlee was seen to campaign on a positive vision of the future, while Churchill was perceived to be campaigning on the victories of the past.

      But the lesson is not quite that simple. Ardern's Labour is deliberately vague about the future, not wanting to discuss things like border reopening and expected fatalities. National, by contrast, remembers being burnt when Muller floated a more permissive border policy during his tenure as leader.

      Subscriber benefit

      The ability to gift paywall-free articles is a subscriber only benefit. See more offers by clicking the button below.

      Already a subscriber?  Sign in here
      Save

        Share this article

        Reminder, this is a Premium article and requires a subscription to read.

      Latest from New Zealand

      New Zealand

      Police seek man after 'deeply concerning' attack on popular Porirua trail

      20 Jun 07:03 AM
      New Zealand

      Have you seen her? Police concerned for missing Dunedin woman

      20 Jun 06:45 AM
      Crime

      Duo jailed after vigilante burglary of Epsom mansion terrorises wrong woman

      20 Jun 06:00 AM

      Jono and Ben brew up a tea-fuelled adventure in Sri Lanka

      sponsored
      Advertisement
      Advertise with NZME.
      Recommended for you
      Israel strikes dozens of Tehran targets in aggressive overnight raids
      World

      Israel strikes dozens of Tehran targets in aggressive overnight raids

      20 Jun 08:29 AM
      Police seek man after 'deeply concerning' attack on popular Porirua trail
      New Zealand

      Police seek man after 'deeply concerning' attack on popular Porirua trail

      20 Jun 07:03 AM
      Tensions rise: Hospital, nuclear sites targeted in Iran-Israel conflict
      World

      Tensions rise: Hospital, nuclear sites targeted in Iran-Israel conflict

      20 Jun 06:49 AM
      Have you seen her? Police concerned for missing Dunedin woman
      New Zealand

      Have you seen her? Police concerned for missing Dunedin woman

      20 Jun 06:45 AM
      Burling confirms move to Team NZ rival
      America's Cup

      Burling confirms move to Team NZ rival

      20 Jun 06:35 AM

      Latest from New Zealand

      Police seek man after 'deeply concerning' attack on popular Porirua trail

      Police seek man after 'deeply concerning' attack on popular Porirua trail

      20 Jun 07:03 AM

      The woman was shaken by the incident.

      Have you seen her? Police concerned for missing Dunedin woman

      Have you seen her? Police concerned for missing Dunedin woman

      20 Jun 06:45 AM
      Duo jailed after vigilante burglary of Epsom mansion terrorises wrong woman

      Duo jailed after vigilante burglary of Epsom mansion terrorises wrong woman

      20 Jun 06:00 AM
      NZ pauses $18.2m aid to Cook Islands amid China deal tensions

      NZ pauses $18.2m aid to Cook Islands amid China deal tensions

      20 Jun 05:27 AM
      Help for those helping hardest-hit
      sponsored

      Help for those helping hardest-hit

      NZ Herald
      • About NZ Herald
      • Meet the journalists
      • Newsletters
      • Classifieds
      • Help & support
      • Contact us
      • House rules
      • Privacy Policy
      • Terms of use
      • Competition terms & conditions
      • Our use of AI
      Subscriber Services
      • NZ Herald e-editions
      • Daily puzzles & quizzes
      • Manage your digital subscription
      • Manage your print subscription
      • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
      • Subscribe to Herald Premium
      • Gift a subscription
      • Subscriber FAQs
      • Subscription terms & conditions
      • Promotions and subscriber benefits
      NZME Network
      • The New Zealand Herald
      • The Northland Age
      • The Northern Advocate
      • Waikato Herald
      • Bay of Plenty Times
      • Rotorua Daily Post
      • Hawke's Bay Today
      • Whanganui Chronicle
      • Viva
      • NZ Listener
      • Newstalk ZB
      • BusinessDesk
      • OneRoof
      • Driven Car Guide
      • iHeart Radio
      • Restaurant Hub
      NZME
      • About NZME
      • NZME careers
      • Advertise with NZME
      • Digital self-service advertising
      • Book your classified ad
      • Photo sales
      • NZME Events
      • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
      TOP
      search by queryly Advanced Search