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Political round-up: November 3

By Bryce Edwards
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3 Nov, 2011 03:48 AM6 mins to read

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Phil Goff, Leader of the Labour Party (L) and John Key, Leader of the National party debate at the TVNZ studios. Photo / Getty Images

Phil Goff, Leader of the Labour Party (L) and John Key, Leader of the National party debate at the TVNZ studios. Photo / Getty Images

In an election that is all about the economy, Labour can't afford to be weak on economics. Yet that is the nagging perception in the public mind. One survey out today shows that Voters back Nats' economic policy. Unfortunately for Labour, last night's leaders debate has done nothing to quell public uneasiness about the party's ability to manage the economy. In all the evaluations, reports and commentaries on the debate the single biggest theme is how the leaders (and parties) are approaching the economy. And on this issue, Phil Goff was badly wounded by Key. As explained in report by Adam Bennett, John Key has been able to embarrass Labour's leader by asking him how his party would pay for all its election promises - see: 'Show me the money' line hits the spot . Goff simply didn't have an answer. This is also covered well in Andrea Vance's John Key gets his mojo and Tracy Watkins' Costings stumble cost Goff.

Goff's poor showing in the debate is addressed by Gordon Campbell in a scathing article on the Scoop website. Campbell says, 'The centre-left can feel justifiably furious at Goff and his minders for going into this debate without a narrative (much less a credible defence) for Labour's election costings. Sorry, but "We'll have them for you by the end of the week" doesn't really cut it. Somehow, Goff managed to make Key look like a hard-headed and credible manager of the economy'.

But Goff's inability to deal with such economic questions is not simply down to poor preparation - it's much deeper than that. Instead, the problem is that Labour has a rather contradictory economic orientation at the moment - it's desperately attempting to be both economically austere and social democratic. These two goals push Labour in two very different political directions, and the party can't quite 'square the circle'. It strives to be as fiscally 'responsible' as National, and has promised to match the Government in terms of getting the state back into surplus in the same timeframe. Yet its attempt to be a social democratic party means it wants to make promises that involve spending a whole lot more. Quite simply, it can't do both - it can't be both leftwing and rightwing at the same time, and ultimately this contradiction shows up when it gets called out on the detail by people like John Key.

But for those more interested in 'who won' last night's debate, most commentators picked Key, including Vernon Small (Second debate a win for Key), Claire Trevett and Felix Marwick. There was also some very interesting commentary on the format and nature of the debate. In an item entitled Goff flaps as Key talks cash, Audrey Young seemed to enjoy the absence of on an interventionist debate moderator: 'the result was fantastic - they were pretty much left standing at a lectern debating each other, bouncing uncontrollably from issue to issue. Goff asked the questions of Key and Key asked the questions of Goff. They ran the show'. Similarly, John Hartevelt has asked 'Is the old-fashioned Town Hall political debate back in vogue?'. Hartevelt explains that last night's debate was the only 'public debate' between the two leaders, and that the 'live audience, viewers and the leaders themselves seemed to relish the more open style' - see: Leaders relish public debate. John Key is also quoted as preferring the format.

Labour will be very disappointed in Audrey Young's news that Labour slips further in latest poll. The survey has the party dropping to only 29% at the very time that it might have expected a rise based on some positive media coverage - but perhaps the party's policy of raising the age of superannuation is not going down well with core supporters. Meanwhile the Greens have finally breached the 10% mark in the Herald's poll. This will ensure further publicity for the party, potentially adding momentum to push the party even higher. But it will also lead to an increased focus on whether the Greens might end up supporting a National-led government. There are already reports on the party's ambitions today - see: TV3's Norman wants ministerial roles for Greens, Newstalk ZB's Questions asked over National-Greens relationship, and RNZ's Greens 'highly unlikely' to support National.

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Other important or interesting items today include: Dan Satherley's Top 10 oddest John Key moments, Kate Newton's Campaign donations favour the Right, Derek Cheng's Thousands of unionists mobilised to help the left , TVNZ's Shock at rheumatic fever cases and John Minto's It's time to end racism in immigration policy.

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Televised debates

Audrey Young (NZH): Goff flaps as Key talks cash
Gordon Campbell (Scoop): On Phil Goff's debacle in Christchurch
RNZ: Labour to release election policy costings by end of week
TVNZ: Key tells Goff to 'show me the money'
Adam Bennett (NZH): 'Show me the money' line hits the spot
Adam Bennett and Derek Cheng (NZH): Labour to borrow more, keep assets
Patrick Gower (TV3): Leaders debate takes unorthodox turn
Adam Bennett (NZH): Goff, Key clash in fiery debate
RadioLIVE / 3 News: Key, Goff trade blows at Christchurch Press election debate
RadioLIVE/3 News: Debate MC gives it to Goff
Andrea Vance (Stuff): Key, Goff square off in Christchurch
Dene Mackenzie (ODT): Smiling Goff holds own against Key
John Hartevelt (Stuff): John Key brings out L-word in debate
John Hartevelt (Stuff): Leaders relish public debate
Tracy Watkins (Stuff): Costings stumble cost Goff
Andrea Vance (Stuff): John Key gets his mojo back
Vernon Small (Stuff): Second debate a win for Key
NZN: Labour to announce plan to plug $14b 'hole' in promise
David Farrar (Kiwiblog): The Press debate
John Pagani: Why I thought Goff won last night
John Pagani: Swift boating the numbers
Grant Duncan (Policy Matters): Look behind the mask
Dim Post: The Gambler
Imperator Fish: Costings
Robert Winter (Idle Thoughts): The way it is...:Key gets the laughs, Labour does policy
Garth George (NZH): Election infotainment unpalatably heavy on soundbites
APNZ: Election 2011: Bennett, King debate welfare
Kate Chapman (Stuff): Green upstart pushes Turia
Ian Llewellyn (electionresults): iPredict/Stratos Election 2011 Programmes Three

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