Casey Hurren, the general manager of Southern Response, says if anybody wasn't treated well he apologises for that. Photo: RNZ / Anneke Smith
Casey Hurren, the general manager of Southern Response, says if anybody wasn't treated well he apologises for that. Photo: RNZ / Anneke Smith
"We've had our ups and downs," Casey Hurren said, speaking to RNZ's Summer Report.
Hurren is the new head of Southern Response, which was set up by the National government after insurer AMI, which held the majority of home insurance policies in Christchurch at the time, collapsed following the Canterburyearthquakes.
Its work left a trail of angry and frustrated claimants, many of whom have told RNZ they felt mistreated, lied to, ignored, and - in some cases - ripped off.
At the end of 2019 Southern Response was dramatically downsized, with remaining claims handed over to EQC.
"If you look at the overall picture we've settled 48,000 claims, we've got about 200 left," said Hurren.
Hurren, who is now Southern Response's general manager, sat down with RNZ for an extensive interview - until now the organisation had repeatedly refused RNZ's interview requests with senior staff members on issues highlighted by their customers.
Southern Response now consists of Hurren - who has a fixed contract until the end of August - and two others.
"I'm responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation, and also the litigation the company faces as well," he said.
"As of 31 December we've got 30 cases in the High Court - in 18 of them we are the sole defendant and 12 we are also joined with EQC".
There is also a further case with the Court of Appeal and an ongoing class action - more on that below.
But reflecting on Southern Response's work, Hurren said the organisation had paid out over $3 billion.
"But then when you look at the individual claims and over the years there have been people who have not been treated as well as they could have - and we could have done better.
"I think that when people are communicated with, sometimes we don't communicate as well as we could and what that means is that ... people feel like they are being treated unfairly."
He said that was problematic when both parties were in dispute over the amount of damage, the scope of work, and the cost.
"So when you have those three elements and you have disagreements and disputes ... what you find is that some homeowners where we have communicated in a strong way about what we believe the damage, scope or cost is, have not been happy about that and they have gone to media ... and wanted to tell their story, and I get that.
"I think [we communicated effectively] for a lot of claims, but for a minority of them we didn't get it right," he said.
RNZ asked him if he would apologise on behalf of the organisation.
"If anybody that wasn't treated well during the course of their time and their claim settlement with Southern Response, I would absolutely apologise for that."
One of the outstanding issues to work through is the fallout over detailed repair/rebuild analysis (DRA). This detailed what Southern Response believed it would cost to repair the house.
Two versions were created - one omitted items like demolition fees and contingency costs.
That DRA was handed to the customer, while the other - which included those costs - was kept by Southern Response and deliberately not shown.
Homeowners only discovered this after requesting their records under the Official Information Act.
A Supreme Court judgment - Southern Response v Avonside Holdings - resulted in those costs being included from 1 October 2014.
But that didn't apply for homeowners who had unwittingly settled prior to then.
Claimants Karl and Alison Dodds also took Southern Response to court over this and won, with the High Court saying this practice was "deceptive" and "misleading".
Karl and Alison Dodds took Southern Response to Court and won. Photo / RNZ
Southern Response is appealing that, despite the Dodds pleading with them not too.
Hurren said if Southern Response lost, the cost to the Crown - and the taxpayer - could be "hundreds of millions".
"The system of creating two DRAs emerged from Southern Response wanting to communicate with people what they believe their entitlement was under their policy," he said.
"At that time if a person wanted to buy another house [prior to Avonside] we would communicate what we believe their 'buy another house' entitlement was ... at that stage we didn't believe the policy allowed for professional fees, contingency fees, demolition costs, and Arrow [project management] costs."
But in the Avonside case, the Court of Appeal said Southern Response was wrong about excluding professional feels and contingency sums.
Hurren said Southern Response back paid those settled after 1 October 2014 but didn't believe claimants who settled prior to the Avonside ruling, including the Dodds, were entitled to those costs.
"We've apologised to the Dodds that we are putting them through this, but we really need that clarity as to how we deal with those previous settlements," he said.
A class action on this issue is also under way, fronted by claimants Brendon and Colleen Ross.
While there had been some "pretty tough" days, Hurren told Summer Report there had been plenty of highlights during his time at the organisation.
"I think the experience I managed to gain in what feels like a short period of time is one of the highs - dealing with some of the trickiest issues you can imagine in the earthquake environment.
