The former All Blacks captain agreed when Mackay suggested rugby was the backbone or rural communities, and confessed he had "always batted on about that with the New Zealand Rugby Union."
"The key to rugby in the country areas is the Heartland competition, and if they fiddle around with that and make it weak, that'll further make the country areas weaker."
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"It brings all the people together on a Saturday, not only the parents - all the little kids as well."
And what does he think about the inaugural Allflex Sir Brian Lochore Outstanding Sportsperson from a Rural Background Award?
Although Lochore said he wholeheartedly supported the reasoning behind the award, he remained humble about having an award named after him.
"I absolutely support the contest, it is a great thing to have - I'm not so sure it should be called what it's called."
The Norwood Rural Sports Awards will be held at Awapuni Racecourse this Friday night, ahead of the Hilux New Zealand Rural Games in Palmerston North this weekend.