Conor English had a "hunch" that Winston Peters would choose the Labour Party last night, even though "it wasn't an outcome that I particularly wanted."
The Chairman of Agribusiness New Zealand had a particularly vested interest in the election result as his older brother is caretaker Prime Minister Bill English.
Conor says he spoke to Bill over a "couple of quiet beers" at the Beehive last night and reports that the result was a shock to the National Party - "but that's politics."
Also in today's interview; Conor and Jamie discuss plant-based proteins and whether they pose a threat to New Zealand agriculture.
Listen to the full interview in the Soundcloud embed below: