He said Nga Uri o Tupoto's bank account was run by Meredith who called himself the registrar.
Under cross examination by Crown solicitor Mike Smith who asked whether Mr Renata knew how much money had gone through that bank account, the kaumatua said the authority in respect of finances rested with Meredith and he played no part in the taxation process.
At the end of his evidence, a man sitting in the public gallery had to be ejected by court security after he attempted to speak.
Judge Keith de Ridder advised him he could not speak and told him to either sit down or be taken out of court.
The man continued to interject, saying he was the power of attorney for the three defendants. After he was taken out, Judge de Ridder cautioned the jury not to draw any adverse inferences from the man's misbehaviour and to concentrate on their task.
Carol Karl requested if the court could be adjourned for the rest of the day because Meredith needed to seek medical attention.
Judge de Ridder said he had not seen any evidence of Meredith's ill-health and queried why the matter was not raised earlier. On Wednesday, Meredith fainted outside the courtroom and had to be attended to by St John paramedics.