NZ Herald
  • Home
  • Latest news
  • Video
  • New Zealand
  • Sport
  • World
  • Business
  • Entertainment
  • Podcasts
  • Quizzes
  • Opinion
  • Lifestyle
  • Travel
  • Viva
  • Weather forecasts

Subscriptions

  • Herald Premium
  • Viva Premium
  • The Listener
  • BusinessDesk

Sections

  • Latest news
  • New Zealand
    • All New Zealand
    • Crime
    • Politics
    • Education
    • Open Justice
    • Scam Update
    • The Great NZ Road Trip
  • On The Up
  • World
    • All World
    • Australia
    • Asia
    • UK
    • United States
    • Middle East
    • Europe
    • Pacific
  • Business
    • All Business
    • MarketsSharesCurrencyCommoditiesStock TakesCrypto
    • Markets with Madison
    • Media Insider
    • Business analysis
    • Personal financeKiwiSaverInterest ratesTaxInvestment
    • EconomyInflationGDPOfficial cash rateEmployment
    • Small business
    • Business reportsMood of the BoardroomProject AucklandSustainable business and financeCapital markets reportAgribusiness reportInfrastructure reportDynamic business
    • Deloitte Top 200 Awards
    • CompaniesAged CareAgribusinessAirlinesBanking and financeConstructionEnergyFreight and logisticsHealthcareManufacturingMedia and MarketingRetailTelecommunicationsTourism
  • Opinion
    • All Opinion
    • Analysis
    • Editorials
    • Business analysis
    • Premium opinion
    • Letters to the editor
  • Sport
    • All Sport
    • OlympicsParalympics
    • RugbySuper RugbyNPCAll BlacksBlack FernsRugby sevensSchool rugby
    • CricketBlack CapsWhite Ferns
    • Racing
    • NetballSilver Ferns
    • LeagueWarriorsNRL
    • FootballWellington PhoenixAuckland FCAll WhitesFootball FernsEnglish Premier League
    • GolfNZ Open
    • MotorsportFormula 1
    • Boxing
    • UFC
    • BasketballNBABreakersTall BlacksTall Ferns
    • Tennis
    • Cycling
    • Athletics
    • SailingAmerica's CupSailGP
    • Rowing
  • Lifestyle
    • All Lifestyle
    • Viva - Food, fashion & beauty
    • Society Insider
    • Royals
    • Sex & relationships
    • Food & drinkRecipesRecipe collectionsRestaurant reviewsRestaurant bookings
    • Health & wellbeing
    • Fashion & beauty
    • Pets & animals
    • The Selection - Shop the trendsShop fashionShop beautyShop entertainmentShop giftsShop home & living
    • Milford's Investing Place
  • Entertainment
    • All Entertainment
    • TV
    • MoviesMovie reviews
    • MusicMusic reviews
    • BooksBook reviews
    • Culture
    • ReviewsBook reviewsMovie reviewsMusic reviewsRestaurant reviews
  • Travel
    • All Travel
    • News
    • New ZealandNorthlandAucklandWellingtonCanterburyOtago / QueenstownNelson-TasmanBest NZ beaches
    • International travelAustraliaPacific IslandsEuropeUKUSAAfricaAsia
    • Rail holidays
    • Cruise holidays
    • Ski holidays
    • Luxury travel
    • Adventure travel
  • Kāhu Māori news
  • Environment
    • All Environment
    • Our Green Future
  • Talanoa Pacific news
  • Property
    • All Property
    • Property Insider
    • Interest rates tracker
    • Residential property listings
    • Commercial property listings
  • Health
  • Technology
    • All Technology
    • AI
    • Social media
  • Rural
    • All Rural
    • Dairy farming
    • Sheep & beef farming
    • Horticulture
    • Animal health
    • Rural business
    • Rural life
    • Rural technology
    • Opinion
    • Audio & podcasts
  • Weather forecasts
    • All Weather forecasts
    • Kaitaia
    • Whangārei
    • Dargaville
    • Auckland
    • Thames
    • Tauranga
    • Hamilton
    • Whakatāne
    • Rotorua
    • Tokoroa
    • Te Kuiti
    • Taumaranui
    • Taupō
    • Gisborne
    • New Plymouth
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Dannevirke
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Levin
    • Paraparaumu
    • Masterton
    • Wellington
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Blenheim
    • Westport
    • Reefton
    • Kaikōura
    • Greymouth
    • Hokitika
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
    • Wānaka
    • Oamaru
    • Queenstown
    • Dunedin
    • Gore
    • Invercargill
  • Meet the journalists
  • Promotions & competitions
  • OneRoof property listings
  • Driven car news

Puzzles & Quizzes

  • Puzzles
    • All Puzzles
    • Sudoku
    • Code Cracker
    • Crosswords
    • Cryptic crossword
    • Wordsearch
  • Quizzes
    • All Quizzes
    • Morning quiz
    • Afternoon quiz
    • Sports quiz

Regions

  • Northland
    • All Northland
    • Far North
    • Kaitaia
    • Kerikeri
    • Kaikohe
    • Bay of Islands
    • Whangarei
    • Dargaville
    • Kaipara
    • Mangawhai
  • Auckland
  • Waikato
    • All Waikato
    • Hamilton
    • Coromandel & Hauraki
    • Matamata & Piako
    • Cambridge
    • Te Awamutu
    • Tokoroa & South Waikato
    • Taupō & Tūrangi
  • Bay of Plenty
    • All Bay of Plenty
    • Katikati
    • Tauranga
    • Mount Maunganui
    • Pāpāmoa
    • Te Puke
    • Whakatāne
  • Rotorua
  • Hawke's Bay
    • All Hawke's Bay
    • Napier
    • Hastings
    • Havelock North
    • Central Hawke's Bay
    • Wairoa
  • Taranaki
    • All Taranaki
    • Stratford
    • New Plymouth
    • Hāwera
  • Manawatū - Whanganui
    • All Manawatū - Whanganui
    • Whanganui
    • Palmerston North
    • Manawatū
    • Tararua
    • Horowhenua
  • Wellington
    • All Wellington
    • Kapiti
    • Wairarapa
    • Upper Hutt
    • Lower Hutt
  • Nelson & Tasman
    • All Nelson & Tasman
    • Motueka
    • Nelson
    • Tasman
  • Marlborough
  • West Coast
  • Canterbury
    • All Canterbury
    • Kaikōura
    • Christchurch
    • Ashburton
    • Timaru
  • Otago
    • All Otago
    • Oamaru
    • Dunedin
    • Balclutha
    • Alexandra
    • Queenstown
    • Wanaka
  • Southland
    • All Southland
    • Invercargill
    • Gore
    • Stewart Island
  • Gisborne

Media

  • Video
    • All Video
    • NZ news video
    • Business news video
    • Politics news video
    • Sport video
    • World news video
    • Lifestyle video
    • Entertainment video
    • Travel video
    • Markets with Madison
    • Kea Kids news
  • Podcasts
    • All Podcasts
    • The Front Page
    • On the Tiles
    • Ask me Anything
    • The Little Things
    • Cooking the Books
  • Cartoons
  • Photo galleries
  • Today's Paper - E-editions
  • Photo sales
  • Classifieds

NZME Network

  • Advertise with NZME
  • OneRoof
  • Driven Car Guide
  • BusinessDesk
  • Newstalk ZB
  • What the Actual
  • Sunlive
  • ZM
  • The Hits
  • Coast
  • Radio Hauraki
  • The Alternative Commentary Collective
  • Gold
  • Flava
  • iHeart Radio
  • Hokonui
  • Radio Wanaka
  • iHeartCountry New Zealand
  • Restaurant Hub
  • NZME Events

SubscribeSign In
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Home / World

MH17: Black box scuffle could mask the truth

By Yijun Yu
Other·
19 Jul, 2014 04:35 AM4 mins to read

Subscribe to listen

Access to Herald Premium articles require a Premium subscription. Subscribe now to listen.
Already a subscriber?  Sign in here

Listening to articles is free for open-access content—explore other articles or learn more about text-to-speech.
‌
Save

    Share this article

Representatives from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation and Ukrainian experts arrive at the crash site. Photo / AP

Representatives from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation and Ukrainian experts arrive at the crash site. Photo / AP

Normally, when a crashed aircraft's black box is recovered, it can reveal exactly what happened to cause the disaster but in the case of MH17, the political instability between Ukraine and Russia could hamper operations.

Read more:
• Kiwi passenger's last email to family
• World leaders call for a credible probe
• Malaysia PM says route was deemed safe
• Editorial: Time airlines took heads out of clouds

If the black box of MH17 is detained by an organisation in military and political dispute with others, the creditability of the analysis results may be in doubt. This case is different from that of MH370, where the black box has yet to be found, but the idea is the same. The black box is vital, as is the integrity of the evidence it contains. It is how we establish the provenance of the facts used in digital forensic analysis.

Ukrainian coal miners search the site of a crashed Malaysia Airlines passenger plane. Photo / AP

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

A piece of the plane lies in the grass as a group of Ukrainian coal miners search the crash site. Photo / AP

A group of Ukrainian miners assist rescue workers in the search for bodies of victims. Photo / AFP

That means that the black box data needs to be verified. If cloud-computing technology has been used, the verification can be done by cross-validating the flight status with other publicly available flight information. Recently at Microsoft, researchers have used cloud computing technology to predict the wind speeds with better accuracy when crowdsourcing the information with real-time flight data.

But if cloud-computing technology is not used, the public must rely on whoever found the black box to truthfully relay the information inside. They might not release the raw data: as has happened in the past, the investigator may choose to reveal only a transcript or partial snippets of the sound tracks.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

There are lots of forces at play in this evolving situation. It is not yet clear whether MH17's black box has been found. Some reports have it on its way to Russia while others place two black boxes in the hands of Ukranian emergency services. The potential for problems is obvious. If both sides of the conflict produce their own analysis, who is to be believed? If only one has a black box, can we be sure of its analysis of the data?

Part of the jet after it crashed, near the town of Shaktarsk. Photo / AFP

A woman reacts to news regarding a Malaysia Airlines plane that crashed in eastern Ukraine. Photo / AP

People walk amongst the debris at the crash site. Photo / AP

Discover more

World

MH17: Is there a cover-up?

18 Jul 10:09 PM
World

The end of the Russian fairy tale

19 Jul 02:42 AM
New Zealand

'My boy died in the sky'

19 Jul 05:00 PM
New Zealand

MH17: NZ citizen named

19 Jul 05:00 PM

Smoke rises up at the crash site. Photo / AP

A relative of passengers on flight MH17 cries as he waits in a bus to receive more information, at Schiphol airport in Amsterdam. Photo / AP

A woman with a child walks past the crash site. Photo / AP

The case of MH17 is exactly the same as MH370 in one respect - they should both have us thinking about how we monitor aircraft.

Real-time rather than offline verification would enable us to gather much the same information as that contained in the black box and allow us to cross-check it across sources more easily.

There would have been other flights nearby which can cross validate some of the data. Take speed for example - wind speed against those neighbouring flights could be used to indicate how fast MH17 was going. And because the real-time speed data is in the public domain - FAA offers access to them, for example - it would be hard, if not impossible, for whoever has the recorders of the individual flight to tamper with information about all the nearby flights.

Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Modifying flight data requires a substantial amount of computation. Making one lie is relatively easy but to cover up a lie that could be cross-checked by others, such as those operating neighbouring flights, would be much harder.

If we want the truth about MH17, we may have to look beyond the black box at data held elsewhere. Data is more powerful when it comes from a crowd, especially when the facts are likely to be disputed.

The Conversation
The Conversation

Yijun Yu does not work for, consult to, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has no relevant affiliations.This article was originally published on The Conversation.
Read the original article.

Save

    Share this article

Latest from World

Opinion

Opinion: Why Melania's rare speeches captivate Washington

12 May 05:31 AM
Premium
World

From a cell in Europe, Duterte is set to win an election in the Philippines

12 May 03:24 AM
Premium
World

USA: 4000 miles, 6 small towns: a whistle-stop tour of America

12 May 02:06 AM

One tiny baby’s fight to survive

sponsored
Advertisement
Advertise with NZME.

Latest from World

Opinion: Why Melania's rare speeches captivate Washington

Opinion: Why Melania's rare speeches captivate Washington

12 May 05:31 AM

Melania Trump spoke at a White House event for military mothers on Thursday.

Premium
From a cell in Europe, Duterte is set to win an election in the Philippines

From a cell in Europe, Duterte is set to win an election in the Philippines

12 May 03:24 AM
Premium
USA: 4000 miles, 6 small towns: a whistle-stop tour of America

USA: 4000 miles, 6 small towns: a whistle-stop tour of America

12 May 02:06 AM
Hamas says it will release last living American hostage from Gaza

Hamas says it will release last living American hostage from Gaza

12 May 01:06 AM
Connected workers are safer workers 
sponsored

Connected workers are safer workers 

NZ Herald
  • About NZ Herald
  • Meet the journalists
  • Newsletters
  • Classifieds
  • Help & support
  • Contact us
  • House rules
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of use
  • Competition terms & conditions
  • Our use of AI
Subscriber Services
  • NZ Herald e-editions
  • Daily puzzles & quizzes
  • Manage your digital subscription
  • Manage your print subscription
  • Subscribe to the NZ Herald newspaper
  • Subscribe to Herald Premium
  • Gift a subscription
  • Subscriber FAQs
  • Subscription terms & conditions
  • Promotions and subscriber benefits
NZME Network
  • The New Zealand Herald
  • The Northland Age
  • The Northern Advocate
  • Waikato Herald
  • Bay of Plenty Times
  • Rotorua Daily Post
  • Hawke's Bay Today
  • Whanganui Chronicle
  • Viva
  • NZ Listener
  • What the Actual
  • Newstalk ZB
  • BusinessDesk
  • OneRoof
  • Driven CarGuide
  • iHeart Radio
  • Restaurant Hub
NZME
  • About NZME
  • NZME careers
  • Advertise with NZME
  • Digital self-service advertising
  • Book your classified ad
  • Photo sales
  • NZME Events
  • © Copyright 2025 NZME Publishing Limited
TOP