It's far from a flawless interview as Andy Moles drifts in an out of the line of questioning.
The Afghanistan cricket coach has an eye on his men undergoing drills at a park while talking on the phone.
But what the Englishman says is unmistakably precise and succinct about what his second-tier campaigners want to achieve at the one-day Cricket World Cup match against the Black Caps in Napier.
"We're not just going to be there to roll over but we want to beat the Black Caps," says Moles of the pool A match to be played at McLean Park on Sunday, March 8.
The former Black Caps coach was dumped unceremoniously in October 2009, following a player rebellion under captain Daniel Vettori, after succeeding John Bracewell who had left in similar circumstances about a year earlier.