The Country's Jamie Mackay steps into the ring with New Zealand First leader Winston Peters for another round of verbal sparring this week.
Minister for Primary Industries Nathan Guy is pursuing lamb and sheep exports to Iran, but a source at New Zealand First tells Jamie they should be looking to the Russian market. Mackay wants to know if Peters is "still banging the Putin drum".
The rest of the interview is mainly Jamie trying to find a point both men can agree on whilst also trying to avoid a conversation about superannuation.
Spoiler alert - he is unsuccessful in both attempts. However, Mackay's question about a National-New Zealand First coalition does manage the impossible - the loquacious Winston Peters at a loss for words!