The Women Of ‘Feud: Capote Vs. The Swans’ Are Birds Of A Feather

By Alexis Soloski
New York Times
From left, Calista Flockhart, Chloë Sevigny, Diane Lane, Demi Moore, and Naomi Watts, who star in ‘Feud: Capote vs. the Swans,’ in New York. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times

Famous women play the famous women in Ryan Murphy’s new period drama Feud: Capote vs. The Swans. In a group interview, they discuss the series and the burdens of public life.

The first season of Ryan Murphy’s Feud aired in 2017. A juicy survey of the bitter rivalry between Bette

“It’s very easy to do a show where people are just nasty to each other,” Murphy said in an interview this month. “But feuds are never about hate. They’re about love.”

Then Murphy read Capote’s Women, by Laurence Leamer, a gossipy, trenchant study of novelist Truman Capote and the society women he befriended and later betrayed. Murphy had long been fascinated by Capote. He was equally entranced by the women Capote referred to as his Swans, self-created creatures whom he admired for their style, wealth and savoir faire. Their gift, as Capote wrote in his late collection Portraits and Observations, was to offer “the imaginary portrait precisely projected.”

Leamer’s tale had luxury, treachery, artistry and spite. It had love, too, “the very fragile, wonderful relationships that exist many times between gay men and straight women,” Murphy said. With a script by Jon Robin Baitz and direction by Gus Van Sant, the story became Feud: Capote vs. The Swans, an eight-episode series.

Tom Hollander (The White Lotus, Season 2) was cast to play Capote at the height of his Breakfast at Tiffany’s and In Cold Blood fame and then long past it, stumbling over deadlines in a fog of vodka, cocaine and tranquilizers. When it came to casting the show’s bevy of Swans — Babe Paley, Slim Keith, C.Z. Guest, Lee Radziwill, Ann Woodward (a wannabe Swan) — Murphy had one thought: “I wanted icons to play icons,” he said. “Women who were iconic and had some degree of fame and success would understand what it was like to be Swans. I thought they would know the gravity and also the stress of being a star.”

He and Baitz made a list of their first choices for the roles, and perhaps because Murphy has almost single-handedly enlarged the possibilities for actresses over 40, all of those first choices agreed. (“He’s masterful at casting the stars or the fallen stars or the forgotten stars,” Van Sant, who directed six of the episodes, said of Murphy.) Which explains why, on a recent afternoon, my laptop screen was filled with a supergroup of film and television stars of the 1990s and beyond: Naomi Watts, Diane Lane, Chloë Sevigny, Calista Flockhart and Demi Moore.

Naomi Watts. Watts noted that the woman she plays went to bed in full makeup and with painful false teeth because she didn’t want her husband to see her without them. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times
Naomi Watts. Watts noted that the woman she plays went to bed in full makeup and with painful false teeth because she didn’t want her husband to see her without them. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times

“It feels like a sisterhood for actresses,” Lane, who plays Keith, said, beaming at her co-stars.

There is some irony, of course, in asking women who have done so much — made countless movies and shows, produced others, won a shelf of awards — to play women who did so little. Indifferent wives and dubious mothers, Paley, Guest and their ilk were famous for making best-dressed lists and hosting dinners that someone else had cooked. Women who were born into money or married it, they were celebrated for the élan with which they spent it.

Baitz found this poignant. “They were enslaved to their own mythology,” he said in a separate interview. “They devoted themselves to something absurd. They devoted themselves to imagery and beauty and posing and being seen and society culture. That’s a dead end. And that’s why I care about them, because they’re running into a dead end.”

But the actresses don’t see these characters as frivolous. “They all worked really hard to achieve this kind of status,” Watts, who plays Paley, said. “There were sacrifices made. There was huge discipline involved.”

Demi Moore. “On one hand there seems to be room to be a little bit more human,” Moore said of the expectations placed on women now compared to those faced by the Swans. But in other ways, she said, today is harsher. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times
Demi Moore. “On one hand there seems to be room to be a little bit more human,” Moore said of the expectations placed on women now compared to those faced by the Swans. But in other ways, she said, today is harsher. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times

Anytime these women appeared in public, they had to be perfectly dressed, perfectly coifed, perfectly made up and manicured. “It was a full-time job,” Moore, who plays Woodward, said. “There were no casual sweatpants.” Watts noted that Paley even went to bed in full makeup and with painful false teeth because she didn’t want her husband to see her without them. Recreating Babe’s look took several hours each day in the hair and makeup chairs.

And there was arguably more to them than beauty. They had, the actresses playing them insist, a genius for life and a talent for self-creation. “There is an art to life,” Lane said. “And they understood that. There is an art to the dance of grace.”

Murphy knew that the actresses he cast would be familiar with the pressure these women faced and that they could offer some of that same grace.

“We had a group of women starring on our show who came up in the ‘90s,” Murphy said. “I don’t think people remember the scrutiny of the press and how people would write about literally how much women weighed. It was very moving to see this group of women who had survived that. Survived and thrived.” (In this regard, Feud is like a more glamorous Yellowjackets, another drama that benefits from the history and aura of its cast.)

Calista Flockhart. “It’s very brave to go out in the world knowing that you’re going to be judged and scrutinised and picked at,” Flockhart said. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times
Calista Flockhart. “It’s very brave to go out in the world knowing that you’re going to be judged and scrutinised and picked at,” Flockhart said. Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times

Wisely, the women didn’t want to talk too much about survival. (A video call with a stranger is no place to unpack trauma.) But they did acknowledge a familiarity with the burden of having to maintain a public face. “It’s very brave to go out in the world knowing that you’re going to be judged and scrutinised and picked at,” Flockhart, who plays Radziwill, said.

Still Lane insisted that this was a burden that could be worn lightly. “Once you’re experienced, you know how much you’re supposed to be on duty or off duty or what’s being asked of you,” she said.

Capote was attractive to the Swans because he could appreciate them both on duty and off. He delighted in their public performances — his persona was also largely self-created — while also recognising the women underneath the Hermès scarves and Mainbocher gowns.

“It worked for a period of time so beautifully,” Watts said. “They got to perform. They had this constant, wonderful audience member who let them be seen. And they shared more with him than they did with each other.”

But in November 1975, Capote betrayed that trust when Esquire published his short story La Côte Basque, 1965. A dishy, bitchy, wholly mediocre excerpt from his long delayed (and ultimately unfinished) novel Answered Prayers, the story contained unflattering portraits of many of the Swans, disguised with only the loosest veils. At the time, Gerald Clarke, eventually Capote’s biographer, had asked him if the Swans would recognise themselves.

“Nah,” Capote replied, according to Leamer’s biography. “They’re too dumb.” They were not too dumb.

Most of the Swans never forgave Capote. The women playing them were more sympathetic. They blamed it on Capote’s alcoholism, his writer’s block, even his literary gifts.

Chloë Sevigny. Sevigny cited the long tradition of writers like Marcel Proust and Edith Wharton, who exposed the secrets of high society. “Truman was attracted to power and privilege and glamour,” she said, “and who isn’t?” Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times
Chloë Sevigny. Sevigny cited the long tradition of writers like Marcel Proust and Edith Wharton, who exposed the secrets of high society. “Truman was attracted to power and privilege and glamour,” she said, “and who isn’t?” Photo / Thea Traff, The New York Times

“Truman was attracted to power and privilege and glamour, and who isn’t, honestly?” Sevigny, who plays Guest, said. “He also knew the great lineage of literature exposing society — Proust, James, Wharton. I think he enjoyed our company, but he also wanted to capitalise on that.”

Sevigny was not the only one to use a pronoun like “our” when discussing the Swans, suggesting a particular identification. The actresses felt a duty to portray these women responsibly, not only because they related to much of what the women had experienced but also because the women have children and grandchildren who are still alive.

“It’s always tricky when you play somebody who really lived,” Lane said. “I was trying to be very gentle.”

Some of the actresses have wondered what the Swans might make of contemporary culture, in which celebrities have largely replaced society women and social media has encouraged a new openness. “Babe would be turning in her grave if she knew I was talking about menopause,” Watts said.

Have standards for public-facing women relaxed since the 1960s? Yes and no, Moore argued. “On one hand there seems to be room to be a little bit more human,” she said. “And then on the other hand, there’s even harsher judgment because we have so many outlets now where everybody has an opinion.” But that doesn’t matter, she added. “What matters is how we relate to ourselves.”

Diane Lane, Chloë Sevigny, Naomi Watts, Tom Hollander, Molly Ringwald, Demi Moore and Calista Flockhart at the premiere of ‘Feud: Capote Vs. Swans’ at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City. Photo / Getty Images
Diane Lane, Chloë Sevigny, Naomi Watts, Tom Hollander, Molly Ringwald, Demi Moore and Calista Flockhart at the premiere of ‘Feud: Capote Vs. Swans’ at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City. Photo / Getty Images

And how they relate to each other. “It was really amazing to be working with fantastic, talented actresses who are all age-mates, more or less,” Flockhart said. Even better, she said, these women weren’t playing wives and mothers. (Technically the Swans were wives and mothers, but the series, like the women themselves, often seems to neglect that.)

It is welcome, if still unusual, to see a prestige series centered on glamorous middle-aged women who occasionally snipe at but mostly support one another. This has come to be a specialty of Feud, and the actresses appreciate it. And in campaigning for the industry to continue to make more series like these, they are perhaps less polite than the Swans.

“It’s ridiculous, that notion that we should be all dried up and off to pasture by the time we’re 40,” Watts said. “Let’s bend and break and bulldoze those rules altogether, please.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

Written by: Alexis Soloski

Photographs by: Thea Traff

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