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Editorial: Poor example to make case for armed police

5:29 AM Saturday Dec 29, 2012
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The nasty incident in Dargaville on Christmas Day in which a mob with a "pack mentality" viciously beat two police officers has, predictably, produced fresh calls to arm police.

Had the officers carried guns, the argument goes, they might have approached the incident differently and, importantly, the bystanders might have reacted differently.

"Policing is a very dangerous occupation, as this incident highlights," said the Police Association vice-president, Stuart Mills. "We believe the risk would be reduced if officers had a firearm on their hip."

It is not clear how the police and the mob would have acted differently or how the risk would have been reduced if the officers at the scene had been carrying guns.

The evidence from the Dargaville incident suggests the reverse. One of the officers was armed with a Taser, which he used to little effect. Indeed, it seemed only to inflame the mob further and they disarmed him after which one of their number seized his weapon and turned it on him.

Fortunately, it did not fire. But, as a reader in the brevities column today points out, what if the weapon had been a gun? What then?

It does not require a great leap of imagination to see that the story we would be telling now - and the debate arising from the incident - would be very different.

There may be some good, logical arguments for the arming of police. But the Dargaville incident is not one of them.

Grant () | 05:11PM Monday, 31 Dec 2012
As a young teen I saw mob violence on many occasions. 5 train loads of drunken teens rioted at the Hastings Blossom festival in the early 1960's. In fact it happened 2 or 3 years in a row until they stooped the special festival trains. Twice I saw every one pore out of the lea Mount dance hall at Midnight on New Years eve and smash just about every window in the Mt. Maunganui shopping center. Let me tell you plenty of police were arresting the worst and bashing a few bystanders in heated moments.
Just imagine if those police had of been armed with guns and not truncheons! It would have been a blood bath. Arming the police will not work in a mob situation.
Seanmuppet () | 05:11PM Monday, 31 Dec 2012
Having spent a couple of nights in a patrol car in manurewa during some study I can vouch for the case for police to be armed. People have no idea until they see it live. It is inevitable at some stage that the police will be armed. It amazes me that for this to happened we seem to view police officers as some sort of collateral damage. The old chestnut of 'arm the police and the bad guys will arm themselves' is a tree hugging view that is outdated. The bad guys already are armed. The police officers I encountered we're very measured, balanced, and dedicated souls that need our support. God bless the ones that get killed. Unfortunately this is the only thing that will dictate a change.
michael r () | 05:35PM Monday, 31 Dec 2012
They haven't told all the facts. Online commentator who was there said the crowd went agro after police tried to use taser on child. Thus thus the cops where to blame. Few know that police often brutalised prisoners after they have been ''handcuffed'' these days which is something they didn't and couldn't do before when handcuffs weren't being used. The often trip and push a person form behind who's giving them a bit of life so the hit their heads and face on the door frame when getting into the car.I seen then dragging a guy with armed handcuffed behind his back along the road who was trying to stand up so he could walk. He was not been aggressive in the slightest manner. So if this is the behaviour of the police today then they do not deserve all the added laws and protections they keep clamouring for. Time the learned and treated the public with some decency and respect. We are not at war as yet and rather than make new enemies they should be trying to make new friends of the public. Guns will certainly not do that and it a cowards way out of a situation anyway, judging form the Dotcom and other heavy handed gun enforced attacks on unarmed citizens.
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