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Deborah Hill Cone: Constitution? Let's have a korero

By Deborah Hill Cone
5:30 AM Monday Nov 26, 2012
Constitutional Advisory Panel would like us all to be having

Constitutional Advisory Panel would like us all to be having "deeper conversations" about constitutional issues, says Deborah Hill Cone. Photo / Thinkstock

Listen up, plebs. The Constitutional Advisory Panel would like us all to be having "deeper conversations" about constitutional issues. I must remember to bring it up at my son's kindy next time I'm helping set out the play-doh. "So ladies, fancy a written constitution?"

The panel, set up as part of National's agreement with the Maori Party after the 2008 election, suggests ordinary Joes who are not Beltway politics freaks ought to talk about the big constitutional issues in the same way we would talk about, say, New Zealand's Got Talent.

They suggest using social media, although when I looked on Facebook I could only find one page - and that was for the 1852 New Zealand Constitution Act. It had seven "likes".

But I'm not going to set up a group. Because I'm not sure this is a conversation we should be having at all. Oh I accept it sounds very Kumbaya and democratic that these esoteric concepts are intended to be discussed around humble water coolers and in kindy sandpits.

There is a deeply held social worker-ish belief that it is always, always good to talk about things. When in doubt, let's have a korero.

It is considered enlightened and civilised to have a dialogue.

The frequently heard edict "at least we are having the debate" suggests talking is always a healing balm. But despite the most noble of intentions, talking about difficult things - such as whether the Treaty of Waitangi should be made supreme law - does not always make them better.

It may even make them worse. I remember in about 2004 being a tiny and useless part in a forgettable TVNZ debate about race relations after Don Brash's Orewa speech.

Various commentators were flown to New Plymouth and stacked in the art gallery to talk about the Treaty with Robbie Rakete and Kerre Woodham. Everyone got about a 30-second sound bite and if anything, it seemed to make the rifts between factions even more pronounced.

I said even more stupid things than I usually do, jollied along in the name of open dialogue.

The assumption is that if you can talk about something you can fix it. But is this actually true? In the same way long-standing family conflicts are not patched up during a Christmas barbecue, some differences are not transcended by approaching them directly.

Maybe our deepest differences are too powerful; they need to be sneaked up on. The most profound differences of opinion are often mended by small unsexy everyday acts of tolerance. But the kind of people who do practice this kind of humdrum barely-noticed compassion are not the sort who are likely to be interested in erudite discussions of the nuances of entrenching the Bill of Rights.

Have you ever been to one of those houses where there is a list of family rules - a constitution - stuck up on the fridge? The contract usually declares "be kind to one another" and "no hitting". These households are usually the most angry and dysfunctional.

Families where people do show respect to each other don't do it because they have been told to, and certainly not when they are told to by the Government.

Rather they model what they see. Most of the suggestions the Constitutional Advisory Panel is considering lead to bigger government.

And despite, or perhaps because of, being such a high-powered bunch I can't imagine its members concluding their work was not necessary after all.

Maybe it would be more helpful for the panel to tell people to simply shut up and notice rather than encouraging them to jibber jabber more.

RD Laing said: "The range of what we think and do is limited by what we fail to notice. And because we fail to notice that we fail to notice, there is little we can do to change; until we notice how failing to notice shapes our thoughts and deeds."

So I'm sorry constitutional panel bigwigs, I'm not going to be joining your conversation. But I will try to notice a little more.

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By Deborah Hill Cone
Arch (Mt Wellington) | 10:06AM Monday, 26 Nov 2012
I'm already preparing my submission on the New Zealand Constitution. When are they going to ask for these submissions to be sent in? I should point out that this submission of mine has nothing to do with masochism - even though you might think so, considering the humiliating way in which previous commissions ignored my ideas about the governance of Auckland and the reform of MMP.

Perhaps what we really need (deep down) is more discipline, more punishment - the punishment of being disregarded, unloved. Deborah, can you recommend a good psychiatrist?
marja (New Zealand) | 11:09AM Monday, 26 Nov 2012
When we talk about constitutions we should be talking about power and the limitations on power. We have to make sure that the power does not become unbridled. When a government can make any rule it wants without taking cognizance of minority groups in our society then this power can be seen as unbridled. Whether this is seen this way, depends on the way we have been thought about our history and the beliefs we hold as a result.

I just like to point out that a lot of people enter into debate or conversation without having any true knowledge of the given topic. Therefore I believe that korero is important but only when people have been educated about their own history and understand the current problems New Zealand is facing in light of its history.
Vaughan I (New Zealand) | 11:10AM Monday, 26 Nov 2012
While you may be right that talking about things may generate more heat than light, the Constitutional Advisory Panel is up and running:
Constitutional Advisory Panel website

Apparently we are at the stage of "Building public understanding of New Zealand's current constitutional arrangements" and there is a download for the "Engagement Strategy". A quick look at this document reveals a number of kites being flown over matters such as Maori Seats and the Treaty of Waitangi.

Presumably the panel was formed for a reason. The cost will not be inconsiderable, so who will benefit?

By the way, Deborah, I see you are not on the panel, but the other Deborah is. Surely that must be a mistake?
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