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Two be or ... Three?

By Dita De Boni
3:32 PM Monday Aug 25, 2008

There comes a time in every mother's life when your youngest child begins to grow out of her baby suits and booties and you wonder... is this the time to start getting rid of all this baby stuff?

I've had two children - a boy and a girl - a "pigeon pair" as everyone keeps reminding me. Why keep going? they ask. You've done what society / ancestors / Angelina Jolie / the Queen of England required and produced an heir and a spare. Take it easy!

It seems to me that many women who have had three or more children are particularly strident on this point. While claiming they wouldn't have done anything differently, they urge, in harried tones, this mother to haul out her contraceptive and burn her feeding bras.

Naturally when I'm in the middle of five night-wakings a night I'm tempted to agree with this logic. At almost 36, I'm not getting any younger, and every bone in my body seems to feel the tiredness these days.

And then there's my dearly beloved husband, who's weighing in on the debate with a big fat no. He trots out the usual male reasons for sticking to two - "we'd need a bigger car!" (Me: it's not like we were ever going to own a Maserati .. and why do you need a chick magnet set of wheels anyhow??!!) "we'd need a bigger house!!" (me: I shared a bedroom and I turned out okay! - admittedly this is sometimes cue for an even longer argument).

Then of course there's - I feel - the other main male reason for saying no.

It's not been said in so many words by my husband, but many would-be mothers of three I've spoken to say they've also had the message: I want the sexy, sex-loving wife and sex life I had seemingly many years ago before we got onto this child rearing lark. With each baby you look more harried and dreary. I'm going to curl up and die without sex in the next two years (a realistic estimate!)!!!

Fair enough. Children do put a strain on even the best of marriages. But the maternal mind doesn't always work along completely rational lines. After all, would we have any children at all if that were the case?

My maternal mind, addled as it is by sleepless nights, breastfeeding and too much Wiggles watching, is still intent on having three children.

I don't know why; I can't say why. I am one of three siblings so perhaps that's it. But I do feel a slightly bigger family is a nice thing to give your children if you can. We can afford it - just - and I'm happy to put my career on ice for a while longer.

However, I don't intend to do it without my husband's at least semi-enthusiastic agreement. Why? Because I need his help. I need his support. I would like him to enjoy his work - not feel that he needs to go to work every day to feed four hungry mouths and God help us if he has other plans.

That said, I'm working on it. We're in negotiation. Hey, at least if we have another kid we'll have to have sex again at least once, right?!

Pictured above: With the arrival of twins Leon Knox and Vivienne Marcheline earlier this year, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's brood now numbers six. Photo / AP

By Dita De Boni
Angela Hunt (Papakura) | 04:02PM Monday, 25 Aug 2008
Even contemplating 2 is tough these days (a decision I'm pondering at the moment). there are so many factors involved - environmental, situational, emotional and of course mental!

Sometimes I think it would have been better to start breeding in my 20's as mothering in your 30's opens a new can of worms, old bones, sagginess, losing your footing with career etc.

I heard about a woman the other day who at 41 years just had twins. now unless she's taking what Madonna's on, I expect to see this woman in an insititute fairly soon!

Not to say we don't love or little darlings though!
Mum for Life (New Zealand) | 05:24PM Monday, 25 Aug 2008
Boy, a subject close to my heart! We had four under four, though no longer, and we no longer have a baby either. I am feeling the urge to have another. Many say four is enough, or indeed too many, but alot of families still have this many children and do just great. Yes we have a big house, and a big car, but no bother. My last pregnancy was twins but I lost one, so we nearly got five under four, and that was also no problem.

I guess for us it has been easy, all the kids (all boys actually) slept though from six weeks, and I was able to get pregnant easy, we are both of a good easy parenting age, and most of all, my husband is totally on board to having a big brood.

Whilst we have no girls, we have no urge for a daughter, depsite people's suggestions. I simply want a lot of children, and have the means to care for all of them, so why not? People however can be judgmental with throwaway comments like, your crazy, of indeed stupid, so be prepared for those rude insults people throw your way with big families, whether they mean to or not.

I am not pregnant or plan to be right now, but I think the feeling of wanting more may never really leve me, I guess everyone is a bit different.
Mum for Life (New Zealand) | 05:30PM Monday, 25 Aug 2008
PS - My sex life is the same as before we started, and I (I hope) am not looking more harried with each child, and I weigh less than when I first started, and it hasn't stopped me being a woman because I am a mum. When 30 comes around I hope to look 30, even if I do sometimes feel 160. Don't be so hard of yourself Dita. I bet you look better than you think you look (and sometimes feel)!

Big families are great if you know you can cope with it, if you are not sure, then you really should wait. Better than getting in over your head. Honestly, even with four reflux babies, and one with heart surgery, it is totally worth it and I recommend it to everyone who asks - which is a lot of mums.
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